Root cause of the refugees/migrants crisis in Europe

[musicamusica]

their not there @-)

[katliamom]

@musicamusica it was a PLEASURE to read your post. You have a fabulous and compassionate daughter whose help will not be forgotten by the refugees she works with. Thank you for sharing.

[DrGoogle]

Merkel’s rating drop 4-5 points according to the news.
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-support-for-merkel-drops-over-handling-of-refugee-crisis-2015-9

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/26/us-europe-migrants-germany-merkel-idUSKCN0RQ0ID20150926?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=twitter

[musicamusica]

Yes please note that her rating dropped because “being slow to condemn violent protests against refugees in an east German town last month, saw her approval ratings slip by 4 points from the previous month to 63 percent in the Infratest Dimap survey.”

[musicamusica]

Thanks @katliamom. I am very proud of her.

It’s not for nothing that the local paper named her “Auslander of the month” in April. :))

[esobay]

I hate to be one of the people who says “I haven’t read most of the thread” but I haven’t. Just thought I’d say that we just got back from Munich where many refugees were coming into the train station prior to the big Oktoberfest kick off. We were there before Oktoberfest started and the train station was a mad house,( but then they always are) and there were lots of refugee looking people. But for the rest of the week we saw very few refugees. We never figured out where they went, there was some talk of housing them at the Olympic Park but we saw no one or nothing to indicate people there. They just “poofed” as far as we could tell. We managed to dodge both the WWII bomb dug up by the Berlin train station and the anti refugee demonstration at the Munich train station by mere hours!

[musicamusica]

Munich is something of a hub for all this @esobay. So many refugees land in Munich and then get sent elsewhere. I understand there are about 17000 (?)refugees remaining in Munchen and in a city of over 1.4 million—you can imagine that they are dispersed pretty quickly. The Germans want to settle them through out the cities and country to avoid creating refugee ghettos. The government immediately set up a web site that facilitates people and towns who want to help. (that’s how my D and her German friends were hooked up directly to individuals and families that they want to help) We shall see whether or not they are successful at this.

[CCDD14]

This old article is about the previous large wave of immigrants to Germany (1.7M). Even with their partially German heritage they were not doing too well. I was in a medium-sized East German city in 2004 and this was pointed to me as a problem. I wonder how they are dong now.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WL0307/S00163.htm

[GMTplus7]

NYT article today about how the huge influx of migrant men is a challenge. Article says 69% of the migrants are men, only 13% women, 18% children.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/08/world/europe/migration-of-young-men-poses-risks-for-both-syria-and-europe.html?hpw&rref=world&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well&_r=0

Of the more than half a million migrants and refugees who have flooded Europe this year, many are young men like Mr. Alabi. While some are educated or bring skills, many have lost critical formative years to violent conflicts that have interrupted educations and aborted careers. Some have borne arms, languished in prison or lived under radical Islamic groups like the Taliban or the Islamic State, experiences that have left them with physical and emotional scars.

There are also great risks for Europe, which has long struggled to assimilate immigrants and could face the creation of a new underclass that taxes the public purse. Many also worry that pockets of radicalization could grow if the aspirations of the new arrivals end in isolation and poverty.

The largest single group appears to be young men, open to adventure but woefully ill informed about what they are getting into. Among the dozens of them interviewed recently in Turkey and Greece, only a few spoke any languages other than their native tongue, and most knew little about the countries they hoped to make their new homes. Some were surprised to learn that beer and pork are prominent in German cuisine.

[musicamusica]

Yes, the large part of this exodus are men. These are patriarchal cultures and that comes as no surprise., Right now theses young men have a narrow choice—get forcefully sucked into Assad’s army , get killed by Isis, or escape. Nothing good comes out of this sort of civil war. I have no idea how the Syria will be stabilized and that’s the only way this mess is going to be cleaned up.

[mcat2]

I heard that it is just the opposite for the migrants from N. Korea to the NE China: the majority (likely 75%) of migrants (to escape the poverty) from N. Korea into China were female. I heard it is “easier” for N. Korea females to make a living and be “settled” down in China – It is said female’s jobs are more available for these “illegals” (just like the situation here that it is harder for Afrecan American males to find a job in US as compared to their female counterparts.) Also, they could become “exported brides.” because of the demand there. There have been a lot of brides “crossing the borders” all over the east and south east Asia in the past few decades.

[GMTplus7]

FYI. Mass sexual assaults by migrant men in Germany on New Year’s eve.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/opinion/sunday/germany-on-the-brink.html?ref=opinion&_r=0

ON New Year’s Eve, in the shadow of Cologne’s cathedral, crowds of North African and Middle Eastern men accosted women out for the night’s festivities. They surrounded them, groped them, robbed them. Two women were reportedly raped.

The issue isn’t just that immigrants are arriving in the hundreds of thousands rather than the tens of thousands. It’s that a huge proportion of them are teenage and twentysomething men.

In Sweden, for instance, which like Germany has had an open door, 71 percent of all asylum applicants in 2015 were men. Among the mostly-late-teenage category of “unaccompanied minors,” as Valerie Hudson points out in an important essay for Politico,” the ratios were even more skewed: “11.3 boys for every one girl.”

As Hudson notes, these trends have immediate implications for civil order — young men are, well, young men; societies with skewed sex ratios tend to be unstable; and many of these men carry assumptions about women’s roles that are diametrically opposed to the values of contemporary Europe.

[mcat2]

What is your opinion on this?

If what is reported here is true, this may affect the lives of people living here more than the lives of Europeans.

Is this a part of the reasons why some of our universities and non-profit organizations (and indirectly, some private industry) are managed in such a “cost-effective” way (e.g., recruit students more easily and tap the talents more cheaply from everywhere in the world.)
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universities and many allied name-brand companies have quietly imported an extra workforce of at least 100,000 lower-wage foreign professionals in place of higher-wage American graduates …

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/05/industry-universities-hide-workforce-100000-extra-foreign-white-collar-h-1b-employees/

[mcat2]

@infiniteMan, I tend to agree.

One of the “troubles” in some countries was that they take in migrant workers but then they do not treat them well in the end. (Isn’t there a saying when a certain country in the Europe took in many workers: “We thought we had taken in workers, but we ended up taking in men.” In other words, they wanted to take in workers to fulfill their business need (the company will become more competitive due to abundant cheap labor, and the shareholder will have more money in their pocket), but they do not welcome them into their society as equal human beings in the long run.

[InfinityMan]

@mcat2 It really is a sticky situation. The country’s nationals hate the migrants who ‘stole’ their jobs, the migrants are abused and harbor resentment towards their employers and the citizens who dislike them. Meanwhile the firm makes millions more in profit due to cheaper labour.

[soccerguy315]

pre-planned massive sexual assault across multiple cities is terrorism… yes or no?

what would the media say if frat boys did this?

[dadoftwingirls]

what do you mean IF the frat boys did this, the frat boys are already guilty of this behavior according to many.

[busdriver11]

“what do you mean IF the frat boys did this, the frat boys are already guilty of this behavior”

Massive sexual assault and robbery of thousands of women across many cities at the same time? Of women who just happened to be walking around? By thousands of frat boys?

What frat?

[fractalmstr]

Actually, what is odd is how stupid one has to be not to listen to the very people doing the activity, i.e., listen to the horse’s mouth as he speaks. Are some people so obtuse, as to their worldview, that they think they know more than ISIS than ISIS itself? Yep, these are the self-proclaimed experts I guess.

And given ISIS’ track record of doing pretty much everything it has said - it killed all the hostages it said it would - on video no less; it killed all the Christians it said it would - and enslaved the females, as promised; and, it blew up all the ruins it said it would - again, on video - then one would think the blind would start to see.

Hum… is there anything that ISIS said it would do that it has not openly tried or has not been successful at? Nope, ISIS seems pretty thorough in carrying out what it says.

Hey, it is just me in that when someone is this ruthless at killing I kind of pay attention when he says he is coming to my neighborhood under my nose and using my generosity as the conduit, especially since he seems pretty darn good at killing.

It is wishful “expert” thinking, such as this, that makes it easy to understand why Europe never got the Nazis and why the US had to bail it out when the stuff it the fan.

Well said! The first paragraph made me laugh… Sadly, very true.

[MiamiDAP]

The situation was created by moving arms from Libya to Syria. Then, Arabic countries, like Saudi’s refused to take the refugees since they saw an opportunity for refugees to occupy the Europe without a war. Very smart on their part, it has happened. That caused the current situation of increased rate of rapes and murders as many young males are part of the refugees crowd. The crisis will not go away as the cultures are not compatible, assimilation is 100% impossible. USA may withdraw from all this places or may not, The situation in Europe will not depend on it in anyway, it is not possible to undone what has been done, it will get progressively much worse and here also.