Ross (UMich) vs. Olin (Wash U)

Colleges & Universities University of Michigan
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<p>If you are thinking you would like a MBA to follow your BBA, then Olin would be a great choice. I have never read the feeder to MBA rankings before, but it must be an important data point. I think the data can be numerous and confusing ( I like to use CollegeAtlas because the use composite data from multiple surveys/rankings <a href=“Best Undergraduate Business & Economics Colleges and Universities”>http://www.collegeatlas.org/best-business-colleges.html&lt;/a&gt; ) but I think you’ve got a gut feeling leading you to one in particular. </p>

<p>OP? You’ve made your decision. You know where you want to go, and it’s clear as a reader of your comments. </p>

<p>Congratulations on your acceptance to WUSTL! You’ll have a wonderful experience and education ahead of you. :slight_smile: </p>

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<p>And Tigs is correct on the merit scholarships at UM. Absolutely. :slight_smile: </p>

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<p>“Your views are very myopic Mr Novi. The country is bigger than SE Michigan.”</p>

<p>Yes I realize that. I haven’t lived in Novi since 2003. Unlike some posers, I meant posters here on CC, I don’t constantly change my screen name in order to disparage another university. </p>

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<p>“There’s way more to life than where your college classmates go to grad school.”</p>

<p>Really, so going to college is about life, not about education? Interesting. I thought most people went to college to prepare themselves for a career or for graduate school. I guess I was wrong. Thanks for showing me the light. </p>

<p>“That said, please cite your source. I find it very hard to believe.”</p>

<p>There are many sources that show that WUSTL does not place a higher percentage of its alums into graduate schools than Michigan. Take your pick:</p>

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<li><p>According to a 2004 WSJ study of the top Feeder universities into top 5 MBA programs, top 5 Law schools and top 5 Medical schools, Michigan had the 18th highest rate of placement among research universities while WUSTL was 25th. </p></li>
<li><p>Yale Law School: 11 Michigan alums currently enrolled vs 3 WUSTL alums. </p></li>
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<p><a href=“Welcome | Office of the University Printer”>Welcome | Office of the University Printer; (page 157)</p>

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<li>UVa Law School: Most years, 3-5 Michigan alums enrol, vs 1-2 WUSTL alums. From 2004-2013, in years where both Michigan and WUSTL data is shown, 22 Michigan alums have enrolled in UVa Law school, vs 7 WUSTL alums. UVa law will naturally attract far more students from universities in its own region, like Duke, Emory, Georgetown, UNC and Vanderbilt, while midwestern schools will not fare as well, but Michigan obviously holds its own against WUSTL. </li>
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<p><a href=“http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/prospectives/class06.htm”>http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/prospectives/class06.htm&lt;/a&gt; (you can substitute the class year all the way up to '16)</p>

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<li>Johns Hopkins Medical School: Even in this domain, which is supposed to be WUSTL’s strongest attribute, Michigan alums outnumber WUSTL alums 12 to 6.</li>
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<p><a href=“http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/sebin/u/p/SOMCatalog0910.pdf”>http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/sebin/u/p/SOMCatalog0910.pdf&lt;/a&gt; (page 461)</p>

<p>Like I said, there is no evidence that WUSTL has a higher concentration of gifted students than Michigan based on placement into elite graduate programs. </p>

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<p>You can’t be serious with that cherry picked data. It doesn’t even address your original assertion. UM’s undergrad student body is almost 4x larger than Wash U. Stick to % of grads, or I guess you can multiply those cherry picked numbers by 4. Please show where you came up with “it would have a much higher percentage of grads enrolling in top graduate schools, but that is not the case.” You do realize what you posted refutes that, yes?</p>

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<p>^^^It still makes no sense to me why a supposedly current Michigan student would think his school is second rate to WUSTL. </p>

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<p>I don’t know what to tell you. You’re a fanatic who won’t accept reality. Wash U has a much higher concentration of intellects. This isn’t a debate.</p>

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<p>I’m curious tigs17 - why do you want to get an MBA after you already have a BBA? The coursework overlap makes it seem redundant, and outside of H/S/W I wouldn’t consider getting an MBA myself. Most of my peers going into banking seem to feel the same way, as an MBA realistically is a $500-600k investment (considering cost of attendance and opportunity cost).</p>

<p>Or maybe somebody else could answer this question for me? thanks</p>

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<p>My cousin has a Ross BBA and a Harvard MBA. Most Ross grads start hating their marketing job so they go get an MBA to make a career switch into consulting or finance. Or if they’re already in finance they want to go from analyst to private equity.</p>

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<p>This is unintentionally hilarious. </p>

<p>“Most Ross grads start hating their marketing job”</p>

<p>Uh huh. </p>

<p>I think you should go pay attention to Dino, Flintstone. :wink: </p>

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<p>“My cousin has a Ross BBA and a Harvard MBA.”</p>

<p>Looks like Michigan held him back. Seriously…</p>

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<p>“Non residents looking at UM and tony privates = rich = go to the best school you get into. This isn’t a debate: NU.”</p>

<p>^^^^Taken from another thread in this forum. This kid, who says he attends Michigan, seems to recommend other peer schools every time. Please ignore flintstone. He is a ■■■■■. Ross>NU econ…easily.</p>

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<p>NU is not a UM undergrad peer. The only people who think that are deluded UM grads. NU is a tier or two above UM undergrad. I’m sorry I’m not some blind and insufferable fanatic. UM is a great in-state value though.</p>

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<p>^^^^^I sort of pity you that were only smart enough to get into a third or fourth tier school. Then again, you are a ■■■■■ and probably not even attending Michigan at all. If for some reason I am wrong, please transfer out as soon as possible. That way a smarter student get take your place and raise the bar at Michigan. </p>

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<p>Made an account because I see a lot of misinformation here. I attended Umich Ross (I was also a pre-admit) and am working at GS/MS in investment banking.</p>

<p>IMO, the choice is simple. If you want to do consulting, save the money and go to Olin. Getting a top consulting position from either school will have roughly the same odds.</p>

<p>However, if you are set on investment banking & can afford it, go to Ross and pay the extra $80K. Ross wipes the floor on Olin in IB recruiting. Ross gets on-campus recruiting from places like Evercore, Moelis, Centerview Partners & Blackstone which are non-existent at Olin, in addition to places like Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, etc. Of the superday interviews I received for IB, I didn’t see a single kid from WashU.</p>

<p>PM me if you have any other questions, I probably won’t check this again.</p>

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<p>^^^^That sounds like good, solid advice!</p>

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<p>plordy nailed it. My experience in banking pretty much mirrors his.</p>

<p>/thread</p>

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It is naive of you in fact to assume that Mary Sue Coleman for instance knows enough about the University of Texas’s commitment to undergraduate education and their focus to properly compare it to Georgetown or UC San Diego or the University of Florida. That’s complete BS, she barely knows half the faculty members at the university that she presides over.</p>

<p>Berkeley and Michigan being ranked above Brown and Dartmouth is absolutely laughable. Johns Hopkins ranking above Duke and Penn is completely bogus. The PA ranking is a total fraud.</p>

<p>I think flinstore was referrring to the “social elite” which is more important to impress than the “academic elite” for 99% of people who intend to live normal lives. They will always think of Michigan as some ok state school in the Midwest while Wash U will be thought as a top 15 USNWR school.</p>

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<p>In general, Brown/Dartmouth student bodies are definitely better than Michigan/Berkeley (aside from engineering/business). </p>

<p>However, if you ask 99% of people what they think of Michigan, they’ll say, “It’s a top public school”. And if you ask 99% of people what they think of Wash U, they’ll ask, “What the ■■■■ is Wash U”?</p>

<p>Outside of the top ivies and places like Stanford/MIT, schools like Wash U are virtually unknown to the general public.</p>

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<p>Is Olin a target school for most investment banks? Is Olin a target school for the top consulting firms MBB?</p>

<p>Decorative, Good to know that you are in higher circles. Can we be friends?</p>