True, VH, and then people lose their minds when people of marginalized communities choose to live in close proximity.
I’m thinking of the threats on my neighbors in Dearborn, MI.
Police are reporting that there were 2000 rounds of ammo found in their home. In California, this would be very hard to acquire through legal means. This was clearly a planned event.
Dear’s religious beliefs:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/02/us/robert-dear-planned-parenthood-shooting.html?_r=0
Why would having 2000 rounds of ammo be difficult to obtain though legal means? Ammo is not a restricted item. You can buy as much as you can afford.
This whole “was it terrorism” discussion seems – to me, jmo – driven largely by people trying to find something to blame OTHER than the easy accessibility of powerful weapons in our country. The fact is the shooter had an arsenal of weapons unlikely to have been obtained by legal means in most of the developed world. I don’t care much if he was radicalized or not. Either way, he was a danger to society.
Dear apparently was a religious nut of the Christian variety.
From the NYT article:
I think that the presence of IEDs makes it clear this wasn’t a spontaneous event.
In light of the fact that illegal guns are so accessible (heck, our own government was trafficking in them), people who want to commit these crimes are going to do so.
@NoVADad99 Is right. I apologize. I misunderstood California’s rules about purchasing ammo.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/02/us/robert-dear-planned-parenthood-shooting.html?_r=0
Reporters interviewed Dear’s relatives, neighbors and acquaintances. He was a Christian. He said he was a Christian, he read the Bible with the woman he was living with, he called the terrorist Army of God “heroes,” he posted Christian rants in all caps on Internet message groups.
I’m not sure how he got on the Internet. I suppose he had a generator at his house.
The people who terrorize women’s health clinics, like Dear, are Christian terrorists, in the sense that they are committing violence in service of their Christian beliefs, in exactly the same way Islamic terrorists terrorize in the service of their beliefs.
We don’t know whether these San Bernardino people were shooters who happened to be Muslims, or people who were committing terrorism in the name of Islam.
I know people with WAY MORE than 2000 rounds of ammo in their house.
@NoVADad99 same, but I live in a very loose gun state.
Is anyone watching the FBI press conference right now? I’ve never seen a more annoyed looking FBI agent. He seems like he wants to punch the “reporters” in the face and I don’t blame him.
I called Dear a Christian terrorist unambiguously.
I also wondered if he had actually seen or been aware of the videos and nobody knows the answer to that. Nothing in that article or any other that I have been able to find has indicated that he was aware of the videos or had any Internet access.
As to the events yesterday, I think the presence of the GoPro cameras call it terrorism regardless of the motivation. what else would video be for but to terrorize?
Still think this is ISIS. By the way, Joe Arpaio and others are calling for gun owners to carry their firearms with them and be ready to resist terrorists and criminals in malls, etc. sigh
I’m not sure why people are bringing up other shootings, for some reason. Some sort of false equivalence, as in this has nothing to do with Islsmic terrorism because Christians do it too? I agree the other despicable acts were domestic terrorism, but so what? That doesn’t change anything in this case.
If this is Daesh, it’s bizarrely out of character for their pretty predictable MO.
I can’t even…
He posted on Internet message boards, including dating sites and marijuana aficionado sites, so he must have had access to the Internet.
Ok, so according to CNN, the husband was radicalized and had international connections.
People on the watch list have not been convicted or even, often, personally suspected of anything.