As I said above, I fully support expanded background checks (although the shooter here passed one of the most comprehensive, so . . .), definitely longer waiting times, I could also see mandatory training courses like driver’s ed, and as I said above, HARSH penalties for crimes committed with unsecured guns (for the legal owner, I mean).
However, it is my opinion, that the focus on the watch list and the NRA is a way for craven politicians to play their audience for fools, since the real problem is illegal guns.
There may have been many conflicting reports, especially at the outset of such a tragedy. As has been commented before, many initial thoughts have been found not to be true.
“Does the state have the right to know who has undergone psychological, psychiatric or LCSW treatment?”
NYS Safe Act does have a requirement that mental health providers report if patient is a threat to others. It also requires background check for purchasing ammunition but it’s not in effect yet.
As for the wife being covered up from head to toe - not all Muslims wear that and she wasn’t from Saudi Arabia. She also traveled to the US from Pakistan, not Saudi Arabia. My stylist in Pakastani and wears a hijab but it only covers her hair.
Does it, though, Jym? What about the ones growing up here or being re-settled? There is a huge problem in that regard within the Somali community in Minnesota.
It does seem like they planned to live through the attack, so it could be that she was trying to be incognito for a long time.
There’s something ‘off’ about his meeting the wife. He was supposedly looking for a wife online. Then he makes his trip to Saudi Arabia, is only there for 9 days, but brings her back as his wife. But she’s not Saudi, she’s Pakistani.
Did he meet her online? How did she get the K-1 visa? Was her background searched? Why hasn’t her photo been released? Is Tasheen Malik even her real name?
I’m wondering if she weren’t planted by Al Qaeda or ISIS to infiltrate the Southern California Muslim community and radicalize him.
Zoos,
I said I was supportive of the watch list IF it keeps terrorists out of this country. Works for me, as something is better than nothing, and should be in addition to, not instead of, addressing problems already in the US, as you indicate.
And as you (or someone) mentioned, these folks purchased their weapons legally.
OK, You do not know how the watch list works. It is a list that is compiled not based on just solid information, but also based on computer algorithms about possible associations.
I had several employees on the watch list who were as squeaky clean as possible and it was just that they had to travel to foreign countries for business a lot. In trying to get them off it was amazing the thousands upon thousands of people on the list that had nothing to do with anything, but some how got on the list. And the list is names, often just names, and people with similar names get flagged for no reason at all because they reside close or in the same city as someone with a similar name .
Never got the employees off the list, so essentially just bit the bullet and sent them by private jet. And these were Americans mind you, no foreign nationals. Only God knows how many foreign nationals who are upstanding people get placed on that list because of similar names.
Yes, there are legitimate terrorists and would be terrorists on the list and my inconvenience is a price to pay, but to take it further and infringe on people’s rights based on a list compiled partially by conjecture is literally unconstitutional. Not to mention the mischief that a corrupt government can do with people whose views it does not like - just add them to the list to infringe on their rights. Government should not have that power without verifiable probable cause.
Well, that must have been expensive. I was able to get us off the watch list (and we too are not foreign nationals). Maybe you didn’t know how that worked??
Even my DHs relative who worked at the NSA at the time didn’t know how to get us off the list, but I was able to do it.
Personally, I don’t care how “squeaky clean” they were. If there was a reason they were legitimately on the list (ours was an error) , then there should be a heightened level of restriction at some level (s). There is a delicate balance between the rights of one vs the rights/safety of others.
“It does seem like they planned to live through the attack, so it could be that she was trying to be incognito for a long time.”
But the question was why haven’t we seen a picture of her and some were speculating that it’s because she was covered head to toe. I have no idea if that’s true. Only that not all Pakastani Muslims dress that way.
My stylist’s sister lives in Saudi Arabia even though she is Pakastani. It’s apparently quite common. The daughter is in college in Philadelphia so she comes to visit a few times a year ( plus their mom and dad and other siblings live here.)
My stylist and her family go to Pakastani at least once a year to visit, too. It’s not uncommon for immigrants to go back to their home country or for American Muslims to make Hadj either.
Are we now going to start questioning and suspecting every Muslim who travels to their “home” countries?
Not that expensive really in the scheme of things, but did raise our costs of doing business, but that became part of the the deal.
As for the list, some get off the list, some do not. It is not an issue of knowing how it works, it is an issue of how its compiled and if they can decipher their own errors. Some errors are easy to track and compile and some are not.
In my employees’ case, it was not easy and i suspect that it had to do with the amount of travel to certain countries and the amount of money wired between countries attached to those individuals via the company. I know several people, not in my company, who were on, got off, then got on again even though nothing in their lives had changed and they were high up in American companies… It is a list run by bureaucrats - and thus fraught with all the government bungling that is government.
You are aware that to legitimately be on any list only occurs if the whatever info they use is legitimate and also legitimately compiled. If you compile junk, you get junk and errors. and to there insist that such list be used to limit a person’s other rights just will not “fly.”
There is no cost of business in any business that does not get passed on to the customers.
Ok, this just just stupidity. What does that have to so with anything?
My response to that is the IRS also solves every problem for every taxpayer as well. Because one issue gets solved has nothing to do with a totally independent other issue.
Yes, agree that trying to discuss this is stupidity. And if you think all costs are passed along to customers, you aren’t in healthcare. Costs go up, third party reimbursement goes down. And before you go off talking about the cost to private pay patients, they are few and far between and hardly adjust for costs.
And not sure who or what is stupid. You claimed your employees who travelled internationally and money moved internationally was the probable reason they were on the list. Am saying similar is true for my DH. I was able to get us off the list. You weren’t. You had to pay for private planes.
So one proposal to keep anyone on the terrorist watch list — yes, including real terrorists — from legally purchasing guns in the U.S. fails, but another which provided for a review process to the request and a 72-hour delay also failed.
Seriously, we can’t expect a three day delay and court approval to at least try to keep suspected terrorists here from buying all the guns and ammo they want? That’s nuts.