The legitimate reason could be that Homeland Security wants to speak with John about his former neighbor Bob and puts him on the watch list until they catch up with him, even if there is suspicion of anything with regard to John. And the errors are rampant.
Most don’t, especially young educated professional husbands or wives.
Starting to wonder if the wife helped radicalize her husband:
Sure there are errors, Zoos. Ours was an error. I was able to correct it. So can others.
Watching TV… CNBC just reported that the female shooter posted something praising ISIS on her Facebook page shortly prior to the attack.
Is the bro in law who has been interviewed (and who seems to say a lot of nothing) Farook’s sister’s husband or the wife’s brother (am guessing the former since not aware that the wife has family here). Is he really as innocent and surprised as he professes?
This says that they purchased their weapons legally at Annie’s get your gun (gee, how cute…) http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shooting-live-updates-htmlstory.html
https://www.rt.com/usa/324598-bernardino-guns-bought-legally/
They had an arsenal of weapons and pipe bombs. Perhaps some (and the bombs) were not legal, but others were.
She was praising ISIS!! So much for the ‘thorough vetting process’.
"But in the end, for those of us who didn’t know them, it’s just more names we’ll forget by tomorrow morning. More casualties in the paranoid war against the guv’ment.
And yes, I’m still angry and bitter and probably will be for a long time. I’m going to call this crap exactly what it is from now on."
Yes, let’s call this crap exactly what it is. Terrorism. To be angry and bitter about some other issue right now is kind of weird. This was TERRORISM. Not some anti government group. Time to be angry at the people who are actually responsible. The terrorists that killed those people. The terrorist supporters that supplied them. The terrorist organization that they followed. Not the innocent people who feel better having their own weapons available.
This whole gun control argument in the wake of this massacre is so oddly inappropriate. It’s just opportunism, and ignoring the fact that we have terrorist cells in this country. That vicious killers are all over the Middle East right now, criminal terrorists, forcing their violent and exclusive brand of Islam.
It’s as if our government leaders who, instead of talking about the problem–Islamic terrorism in our country, are claiming that we are safe from that, and the big problem is lack of gun control. Way to switch the conversation from the actual problem at hand.
I haven’t been watching TV and don’t know anything about the radicalization of the shooters, but studies I’ve read of how European shooters get radicalized seem to show that their families really didn’t know, or didn’t support the relative’s radicalization.
The analogy, I think, is not as if the family was mainstream Catholic, believing but not extremely observant/devout, and the daughter decided to become a cloistered nun. There, the daughter’s new religiosity might bemuse the family, but she would have gone deeper into the family’s religion, and while they’d be surprised, they’d support her, more or less, even though they might wonder about whether she’d be happy with her choice.
Rather, it’s like the family was mainstream Catholic and the daughter sneaked off to join a weird and seemingly dangerous apocalyptic Christian cult. In that case, the family would be horrified and want to kidnap their daughter back. They wouldn’t think that their daughter’s new religion had anything to do with their own Catholicism, and they’d think it was bad and dangerous.
Similarly, in a lot of cases, when a son or daughter or brother or sister becomes a radicalized Islamist, the mainstream Muslim family often does not think their child has gone deeper into the faith that the family shares. Rather, the family is horrified that the child has been drawn into a dangerous cult, and in numerous cases, the family tries to get the child back.
This is a longwinded way of saying it’s plausible that the shooters’ family didn’t know the extent of the shooter’s radicalization and didn’t support it in any way at all. Or, the brother could be involved and lying.
"Is the bro in law who has been interviewed (and who seems to say a lot of nothing) Farook’s sister’s husband or the wife’s brother (am guessing the former since not aware that the wife has family here). Is he really as innocent and surprised as he professes? "
I’m starting to wonder that, also. He seemed truly shocked at first, but now I’m having a hard time buying it. I’ll bet there were plenty of signs. I think many times when the families and close friends say how normal the perpetrator was, how they had NO idea, that they actually had noticed things, but don’t want to admit it, as then they would have culpability.
I’m sorry, was this woman a refugee? No? The thorough vetting process that refugees undergo has nothing to do with someone who enters our country on a visa. Nobody has asserted that people who come to the US with a visa undergo a thorough vetting process.
Did they ever go to their house and happen to step into the garage?? Pretty hard to turn a blind eye to the arsenal they apparently had.
If this had been a disgruntled employee situation, we’d be talking more about gun control. But its a terrorist act and thats where the conversation rightly should shift. That said, nothing wrong with hoping they will address both issues in this country, IMO.
Yes. People coming on visas do undergo a vetting process.
From today’s LA Times.
The K1 visa permits the foreign-citizen fiancé of a U.S. citizen to travel to the U.S. and marry his or her sponsor within 90 days of arrival. It is one of dozens of visas that allow foreigners to enter the U.S.
State Department spokesman Mark Toner said Thursday that K1 applicants, like other visa applicants, undergo an extensive counterterrorism screening that includes checks based on fingerprints and facial recognition software.
“Since 9/11, all of these involve multiple layers of vetting with multiple agencies putting folks through various systems, where we watch individuals, what their affiliations are, whether they’re on any kind of watch lists,” Toner said in a news briefing Thursday. “All of this is done for any visa applicant.”
Does anyone know about Grandma, whose home they were supposedly living in? What her story is, and if she’s claiming she had no idea what all those weapons were about in her house? Or is that bad information, that they were living with her?
THAT!!!
The house with all the weapons was not the grandmother/ mother’s house.
Oh, heavens, busdriver. Now you’ve got me hummin’ the old Bing Crosby song “pistol packin’ mama” in my head. Earworm!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b39ALX4neIk
I have heard reports that the townhouse that was raided was only one of the addresses that the couple maintained. There has not been much clarity on that point but the suggestion was that they may have actually been “living” somewhere else. So if that has any validity, family members could have been kept in the dark.
Although the black SUV was rented and their actual car (a black Lexus) was parked in front of the townhouse. That and the comments of the neighbors about their activities seem to suggest they were living there as well. Hard to imagine that with a new baby they did not receive visitors. And even harder to imagine how they would conceal what is being described as a “bomb factory” from family and visitors.
Maybe they thought he was just making a Clock from an old RadioShack clock to bring in and show his coworkers at work. 