School in the 2020-2021 Academic Year & Coronavirus (Part 1)

While I love the idea of university pandemic hazard pay and staffing increases, it just won’t happen.

I’m remembering what happened at universities in 2008/9. Hiring freezes, elimination of positions, salary cuts and furloughs. Really rough few years. Some universities are still living with repercussions.

Remember hits to endowments at the elites, as well as everywhere else?

@“Cardinal Fang”

Maybe I wasn’t clear, but when I said isolate them on arrival, I meant to keep each player isolated separately. So test them all when they get there, but isolate individually while awaiting the results. But since they might have been exposed shortly before returning and too early for a positive test, keep them individually isolated the entire 10-14 days, testing again later in the isolation period to make sure the first test didn’t miss anything.

I did not mean they should all be isolated together, rooming with other players, during the initial isolation.

Why wouldn’t they? Because Yale belabors every decision. All for the best, but they consider all sides.

March 2nd–first communication to students that they may want to consider bringing more home with them when departing campus for two week spring break on March 6th.

March 3rd—similar note to parents but different language.

March 5th–the night before spring break was to start–notice to all students who had been scheduled to travel internationally during spring break that their trips were cancelled. (Many of the music groups seem to travel during March break and perform in other locations.)

I forget the timing of the next communications, but initially they announced online instruction until some date in early April, but then by March 13th or 14th, announced that the residences would be locked up as of March 15th. Some time later they announced online for the remainder of the semester, and then there was this back and forth with the final decision to universal P/F grading. So I a not surprised we have not heard anything from the school.

Term bills are usually issued July 1st with an Aug 1st due date. That timeline has been pushed off by a month also.

Tuition, R&B increases have averaged 3.5-4% at my children’s two schools since I started paying summer of 2014.

Some Yalies will likely decide on their own not to come back to campus in the fall since all classes will be remote and they wouldn’t have to pay room and board charges if they stay home. It remains to be seen whether that alone is sufficient to meet Yale’s de-densification target.

Agree with you that some will decide to remain at home. $17K is a significant sum to pay to live in your room eating carry-out food. Also, some have own health concerns or fears of parents’ health to consider.

Also agree it is impossible to know how many will make that decision and what Yale’s target is. A couple more weeks!

Same

That would be a good plan: quarantine each player separately for two weeks, test. I don’t know why the athletics department doesn’t understand incubation and asymptomatic transmission.

Maybe football programs know what’s best practice but it just doesn’t work with what they want most - to get practices going. Maybe they thought they’d try an easier testing path and see if it would be good enough.

They’re short-sighted. What they actually want is to play games in the fall with all their players, and to have all their coaches healthy, but they are not pursuing the best strategy to achieve that aim.

Agree. Back on May 21, Hamilton announced they were in the process of reconfiguring spaces for the fall. The letter to families states: “As part of this effort, we are building some modular housing units this summer, giving us greater flexibility in managing physical distancing requirements.” They are fortunate that they have a decent amount of land for this.

Yep. D20’s friend put down a deposit at NEU. Her first choice was Syracuse, but they didn’t give her enough aid. When acceptances first rolled in, her mom talked to the FA officers at SU and mentioned what she received from OSU and NEU, but they wouldn’t budge. Last Friday she received an email from Syracuse stating they decided to increase her FA, and to please call them to discuss details. Just like that. Out of the blue. Her mom called and ended up getting a better FA package than NEU. D20’s friend is thrilled and is now heading to SU.

Or maybe football programs know exactly what they are doing. June is a good month for players to get COVID. They should be better by game time in the fall and antibodies will carry them thru the season

Note: this is not 2008/2009 in fact I predict that most college endowments (the fiscal year ends June 30th) will be in positive territory as the first 9 months of the fiscal year saw good returns and currently most of the losses in March and April have been recovered.

Would not surprise me at all if the average endowment is up 5%+ this current fiscal year. At a place like Harvard, that’s $2 billion in gains. Not bad for being in a once in a generation pandemic. This is on top of a very good decade of gains and charitable contributions revenue.

Maybe, but July and August aren’t, and they’re not stopping continuing transmission. Moreover, Never is a good month for coaches to get covid, and they’re not stopping transmission to coaches, either.

Not all coaches are Nick Saban. Large coaching staffs are the norm, and many are quite young, under 30 or 35. They may feel it is inevitable for them to be exposed to Covid and they wish to get it over with now.

Some class components (e.g. labs) may not be doable remotely. Recall that, before COVID-19, University of North Dakota had distance education engineering programs. However, the distance education engineering students still needed to come to campus during summer sessions to complete lab components: https://engineering.und.edu/current-students/distance.html

So it may be more realistic for a college to switch most class sessions to online / distance education, but retain on-premises class sessions for class components that require it.

We were talking about the University of Texas. I checked out their coaching staff. The ones I checked were mostly in their 40s. That’s an age where a person has a very low chance of dying from covid, but the chance of being hospitalized is not negligible.

This offensive line coordinator, who is 52, looks like he should stay away from covid:

https://texassports.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/herb-hand/144

Maybe it is strategy! I have a high school junior who is a key player on his soccer team. I am really hoping he does not get quarantined during playoffs and would love for him to get the rona over with sooner, rather than later.

Sports teams must be planning to have their bench ready to go at any moment. Maybe it will be the bench that wins games this year…

If, in the fall of 2020, we are rooting on our favorite teams it will be be a great day. Unfortunately, I don’t think that’s where we’ll find ourselves.

socaldad: I’m not an economist, and only know what I read. I’m assuming you’ve seen the following:

https://today.duke.edu/2020/05/president-price-announces-new-steps-secure-dukes-financial-future

https://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2020/04/trillion-stimulus-bill-duke-covid19-cost-universities-coronavirus

I can understand if you disagree with last couple of paragraphs in second link.

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