School in the 2020-2021 Academic Year & Coronavirus (Part 1)

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So anyone think there is some pressure to reopen and resume football? ??

@1NJParent - Vassar does not have a week-long Thanksgiving break. Even the link you shared showed that their break starts Wednesday. My D is a rising senior and they have always started break Wednesday after class and only have Thursday and Friday off.

Don’t know if anyone actually looked at the Tufts info, but I found their requirements for students living off campus to be quite different from what most are expecting:

“…students who live off-campus should only have their mask off when in their bedroom with others who live in the same bedroom. Students are required to wear masks when in living rooms, kitchens, yards, driveways, sidewalks, porches, or other interior or exterior areas of the property, regardless of the number of people present or whether all such people are members of the same residential cohort.”

There goes the idea of your apartment/house mates being the same as your family.

Tufts seems to have a good plan but surprising they are not starting early and ending before Thanksgiving.
So interesting that in a state very hard hit by Covid they have made the decision to open, while Bowdoin in a state that hasn’t been effected that much has a much more conservative/restrictive plan. Maybe it’s because if you are in MA and lived through the worst of it you have a better understanding of what can work and what can help manage through the crisis but if you are in a state that hasn’t been hit hard perhaps you are scared of the unknown and not as aware of the day to day realities of living with the virus?

Seriously, it seems like many schools discussed here are going remote after Thanksgiving, without any time off prior. Would it be asking too much to not have the last day of class be the Tuesday prior to the holiday?

My bad. For some reason, when I first looked at the calendar I saw the classes resume on 12/1 and assumed they were for this year. And they weren’t.

Does anyone realistically think kids will abide by this?

Or who occasionally sleep or engage in other activities in said bedroom. Lol, seriously, who is going to enforce this?

@CCadmin_Sorin, can you remove the tag? Thanks!

My son would do it if the Tufts President did the same in his own home…

Wellesley College has just released their plan for the fall. Here are some of the more important parts of the email that President Paula Johnson sent out. Seems very similar to Bowdoin’s plan.

"Living on campus
Due to the need for physical distancing, all students will live in singles next year. This will reduce the risk of transmission, but it will also significantly limit the number of students who can live on campus at any given time. As a result, our residential capacity will be fewer than 1,500 students.

Given that limitation, and also given our determination to afford all Wellesley students the opportunity for a residential experience for part of the year, we will invite first-year students and sophomores to live on campus during the fall, and juniors and seniors during the spring. This plan allows first-years to start their Wellesley experience in the best possible way, and to be joined by sophomores who will share many of the same classes. It will also allow seniors to complete their Wellesley experience on campus and juniors to finish their year with the seniors with whom they have shared their time at Wellesley.

We will have enough campus rooms available so that we can accommodate two classes and prioritize housing for students who, for a number of reasons, need to be on campus all year. This includes resident assistants, international students who are unable to return home, and others.

Off-campus housing
We understand from a recent survey that some seniors may want to be closer to campus in the fall and are interested in off-campus housing. We are exploring facilities that would be dedicated entirely to Wellesley students. Students would take their classes remotely, but the College would provide regular transportation to campus, and these students would have access to on-campus dining. We will update you on this option when we communicate our final plans next week.

We will continue to monitor public health guidance over the fall, and if possible, will explore bringing more students to campus in the spring.

Academic program
Given the need for physical distancing in residence halls and classrooms, much of our academic program will need to be delivered remotely. We believe remote education is best delivered in shorter, more concentrated formats, so we plan to divide each of our semesters into two terms, with each student taking two courses per term. This will allow for a greater level of concentration and focus for our students, and it will also allow us to pivot quickly to fully remote instruction if needed due to the public health situation.

Our academic departments have reworked their course offerings to fit into these four terms and have created a curriculum that, in each term, includes in-person, remote, and hybrid courses, in which some of the students will be on campus and others off campus. Unlike this past spring, when faculty had just two weeks to make the transition to remote instruction, they now have direct experience teaching remotely, and they are spending the summer optimizing their classes as well as finding new ways to deliver academic support and peer-to-peer learning in the remote environment.

It has been a central principle of our planning to ensure that students residing on campus have, to the greatest extent possible, access to in-person courses. For this reason, the fall on-campus curriculum is designed for first-years and sophomores while the spring on-campus curriculum will be designed for juniors and seniors. This will enable students to take at least one of their two classes in person during each term when they are on campus. "

@wisteria100 I’m guessing that (1) Tufts is not just housing kids in singles like Bowdoin and Wellesley and (2) Boston has the ability to take care of a larger number of hospitalized students/faculty/staff/nearby community. Also, I talked to the owner of one of the bed and breakfasts this morning in Brunswick and she heard that there was a lot of pushback from Bowdoin faculty about kids coming to campus even if they took class remotely. They were afraid they would spread the virus throughout the community. Apparently, the businesses in town were split on that but were definitely not all-in for kids coming back. So, small town voting against the college opening versus Tufts in a more densely populated area including kids living off campus that maybe isn’t speaking out as much.

Makes one wonder what @circuitrider would say about such an [impotent plan](School in the 2020-2021 Academic Year & Coronavirus (Part 1) - #7471 by circuitrider - Parents Forum - College Confidential Forums). :wink:

@homerdog Yeah- I guess my MA vs ME theory has just been blown by Wellesley’s announcement!

At most colleges, professors have full control over their classes. The Admin will not be able to answer a lot of this because they simply do not know each individual professor’s plans. And to be truthful, most professors do not have every component of their courses worked out before August anyway. The Admin can provide general guidelines for f2f interaction, as per campus policy, but that’s about it. You would need to contact the individual professor for each course.

@wisteria100 There’s a lot of risk/reward deliberations going on and that’s how schools are making their decisions. Some can go a safer route with fewer kids and more testing and social distancing that will be policed more. I mean, it’s completely different to have kids tested twice a week and then quarantine when positive than to have kids self report their temperatures and get a test if decide to do so on their own when they have symptoms. The first group will have less of a chance of getting the virus because kids will not want to quarantine so will likely be more careful. The second group maybe won’t be quite as careful since they aren’t required to test twice a week. Maybe more virus spread then or maybe not. Maybe so many will be asymptomatic that it won’t be caught.

Life at the Bowdoin or Grinnell or Wellesley’s won’t be a whole bowl of fun but they are likely to be safer. Life will be more fun at schools not testing as much but, if the virus rears its head, maybe those towns will have to shut down more? Either way, all of these kids are likely to end up with mostly remote classes. I do believe that - the campuses that say they will be having a lot of in-class classes will probably not be able to do that for the whole semester.

Tufts’ plan seems like a gamble with poor odds.

Well, if their risk analysis involves off campus kids wearing their masks until they are in their bedrooms, then yes.

This will never happen.

The infamous Tufts Syndrome may acquire additional symptoms this Fall.

(too soon?)