Second Ebola patient

[3bm103]

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“But you know I feel for her,” Mr. Christie said. “I hope she recovers quickly and we’re going to do everything we can in New Jersey and in our public health system to make sure that she does.”

But she doesn’t have to recover. She has no symptoms and has tested negative. I hope she sues him.</p>

[jym626]

<p>How’d she get her article written and sent to the Dallas News?</p>

[garland]

<p>Me too. How come Spenser’s fiancee can quarantine at home, but Hickox is being treated like a criminal?</p>

[garland]

<p>I don’t know, jym. Maybe on a phone. does that negate her story.</p>

[jym626]

<p>Who said anything about negating her story, garland? I completely believe it. Just wondering how she wrote it if its has been reported above that she has no electronics (computer, etc) or internet. </p>

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Doctors Without Borders executive director Sophie Delaunay complained Saturday about the “notable lack of clarity” from state officials about the quarantine policies, and an American Civil Liberties Union official in New Jersey said the state must provide more information on how it determined that mandatory quarantines were necessary.</p>

<p>“Coercive measures like mandatory quarantine of people exhibiting no symptoms of Ebola and when not medically necessary raise serious constitutional concerns about the state abusing its powers,” said Udi Ofer, executive director of the ACLU of New Jersey.</p>

<p>Doctors Without Borders said Hickox has not been issued an order of quarantine specifying how long she must be isolated and is being kept in an unheated tent. It urged the “fair and reasonable treatment” of health workers fighting the Ebola outbreak.</p>

<p>“We are attempting to clarify the details of the protocols with each state’s departments of health to gain a full understanding of their requirements and implications,” Delaunay said in a statement.

<a href=“http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_EBOLA_TRAVELERS_QUARANTINE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT”>http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_EBOLA_TRAVELERS_QUARANTINE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Another example of developing a protocol as one goes along. Not surprising that the first few will have screw ups. I feel really badly for this selfless nurse. I was also reported that she was in the air when the quarantine decision was made, so she had no idea when she landed what was going to happen.</p>

[garland]

<p>Sorry, jumped the gun there, jym! :)</p>

[emilybee]

<p>“Another example of developing a protocol as one goes along.”</p>

<p>That is because there is never any time to develop protocols/policies as everything is always a reaction to the latest headlines in the 24 hour news cycle. And what happens is that an agency has to scramble to do whatever the new initiative is - dropping whatever they were doing for the last crisis created initiative (which then is completely forgotten about as agencies pull people & resources from that.) There is literally no time to thoughtfully develop policy anymore. </p>

<p>Agencies are also often told to do things immediately (and I mean that literally) which are impossible to do (or impossible to do given personnel & resource limitations.) </p>

[jym626]

<p>Glad we cleared that up, garland.
Now also of concern- if Bentley, Nina Pham’s Cavalier, has been declared ebola free, why is she still not permitted to see him? So what if the “official” quarantine is up Nov 1? He is ebola free and she is immune. Why cant she at least see him? Thats just mean spirited.<a href=“http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/dallas-nurse-survived-ebola-wait-dog-26454056”>http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/dallas-nurse-survived-ebola-wait-dog-26454056&lt;/a&gt; see him?

Jenkins said veterinarians are concerned that if Pham visits the dog, it might affect Bentley’s behavior and make it harder to monitor for potential symptoms.

This is hogwash. The dog isnt going to get the runs or kick up a fever because he sees his owner. Or at the very least, let her see.him through a 1 way mirror or something. This is cruel to keep them apart for another week.</p>

[jym626]

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. Dr. Seema Yasmin, a Dallas Morning News staff writer, worked with Hickox as a disease detective with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. With Yasmin’s help, Hickox wrote this first-person piece exclusively for the News.)

Hickox is staying in a tent with a portable bathroom and poor cellular reception, Wilbur said. In her first-person account, she said she worries about how other volunteers will be treated when they return to the U.S…</p>

<p>…In an interview with BuzzFeed News Saturday night, Hickox’ mother Karen Hickox said her daughter is almost entirely cut off from the world. She has no computer and is only communicating via a cellphone that has very poor reception, Karen explained. Still, family members have been able to glean some details about Hickox’s conditions.

OK- found it. No computer but some, albeit poor, cellphone reception.</p>

[scholarme]

<p>The nurse at the airport story does not surprise me – a lot of the TSA types are like this. If they are going to enforce quarantines they absolutely need to get on the ball. Where is our new Ebola czar?</p>

[tom1944]

<p>What group do we get to round up next?</p>

[sally305]

<p>What’s even more ridiculous is that we have a qualified surgeon general candidate whose nomination has been held up for a year because legislators are held hostage by a group whose acronym starts with N and ends in A. I still think we need the czar-type person to coordinate everything–but having a trusted medical authority to calm people’s irrational fears would go a long way right now.</p>

[jym626]

<p>So, while we are dancing around politics, maybe we should encourage NY and NJ to go back to arguing who has juristiction over Ellis Island (hint- its federally controlled)</p>

[emilybee]

<p>^ and end their bromance? Not a chance. </p>

[jym626]

<p>Now Florida has joined the 21 day mandatory quarantine dance.</p>

[emilybee]

<p>^ Sigh. It’s like a scene from Dumb & Dumber. </p>

<p>Here is Fauci on the subject: </p>

<p><a href=“http://enews.earthlink.net/article/us?guid=20141026/a5b61461-13ff-4474-b206-c006d6e6cb53”>http://enews.earthlink.net/article/us?guid=20141026/a5b61461-13ff-4474-b206-c006d6e6cb53&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

[Nrdsb4]

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The ebola drugs are still experimental. Some people are having negative reactions (allergy?) to them, so even if effective, they may not be able to work with everybody.

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<p>The plasma transfusions are also experimental. We don’t know for sure if that is what is working or if it is immediate, aggressive fluid/electrolyte replacement, a combination of both, etc.</p>

[emilybee]

<p>“New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, meanwhile, acknowledged on Saturday that the policy might be hard to enforce, according to the New York Daily News.Cuomo said officials had never considered whether people refusing to go along with the order could face prosecution or arrest, adding “It’s nothing that we’ve discussed, no,” the newspaper said.”</p>

<p><a href=“Nurse Discharged From Ebola Quarantine in New Jersey – NBC New York”>Nurse Discharged From Ebola Quarantine in New Jersey – NBC New York;

<p>This is just another example of them doing things without any thought process behind it. And they simply never want to hear that what they propose is unrealistic. </p>

<p>And by “officials” he mean himself & Christie. </p>

[dstark]

<p>Emilybee, great links and posts.</p>

[jym626]

<p>Totally off topic, but curious; When you (any of you) open the link posted in # 2476, what ad do you see in the first box on the right below the first few paragraphs?</p>