Second Semester Blues

<p>Add to the SADD the way college students function. My S had a semester in which he complained it was hard to get himself to do any work, etc etc. It turned out the courses he’d chosen to make up what he considered the perfect schedule, all started in the afternoon. I figured out, given that he stays up till 3 or 4 am often, that he went months without ever seeing daylight! This was definitely worth pointing out to him.</p>

<p>deb, I’m glad your S is taking the initiative to go to the counseling center. Often centers that require appointments still have a counselor for walk-ins if a student feels in crisis.</p>

<p>Thank-you all for posting your stories. </p>

<p>My DS troubles in college have been like a roller coaster. He can’t seem to do well two semester’s in a row. He started at a state school in an adjacent state. After a scary call from police second semester sophmore year, we suggested he transfer to local state uni. He was accepted. and we thought the fresh start would be good. Between his working part time high school friends, and 1st real GF he ended up on probation. Created a contract for second semester and he managed to do much better. </p>

<p>There have been incidents indicating substance abuse. (DS didn’t drink in HS) He learned to do that in college. When we expressed concerns, he went and got a job at a liquor store. His GF has had some influence here.</p>

<p>Fall semester, he moved out with a HS friend. He learned somebody who is fun to go out with, is not necessarily the best roommate. Grades fell again and he is back on probation, and retaking 3 classes. DH is tutoring him in classes he took in college. Despite his problems, he could graduate this summer or next fall. His GPA will be terrible, and he probably won’t find a job in his field. He’s still dreaming about grad school. (LOL) We wanted him to quit school and get a job, after last fall. However, loans and some money Grandma had put away kept him in school. Seems to be trying harder. We’ll see. </p>

<p>Have ran several what if we or he had >>> scenarios thru my mind. I keep telling myself that we made the best decisions we could at the time.</p>

<p>“I’m sure he drink more caffeine than he ever did at home, it seems that all the soda machines have in the cafeteria have a lot of caffeine in them and he never drank much soda at home and never with caffeine. He also is not exercising like he did at home when he ran year round.”</p>

<p>I play squash three times a week, and always try to schedule it for 6 p.m. Cutting down on caffeine in winter is a biggie.</p>

<p>Mini I totally agree with you. Freshman son and sophomore daughter noticed a remarkable improvement when they cut down on the caffeine. Now both have tried to eliminate it from the diet completely.</p>

<p>They also have done as you suggested, plan an activity that requires them to be somewhere after 6 pm. After coming from the land of sun, sun and more sun (Vegas and CA) moving to the northeast for college had son saying “where is the sun?” daily to me!!</p>

<p>I said it is here in Carolina!! First semester his classes were scheduled by his advisor and he had little say about times. But after “explaining vehemently” to his advisor what works well for him, he scheduled his times for the spring. He has to be at practice by 6:15 am so wakes up at 5:45 am, out by 8:15-30, grabs a quick shower and breakfast and has his behind in class by 9:am. Done by 12pm every day. Has conditioning and lifting 2-4ish or 3-5 depending on days and has his labs and seminar at 7pm I think, 2 days a week. Does his homework in between and after dinner. Always schedules dinner for his floor and if they aren’t there when he set it up, ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh there is you-now-what to pay! But they all have seemed to make it for dinner last semester and this one.</p>

<p>His floormates and friends ask if he considered the academies…yes, and yes he was accepted but the discipline they offered he didn’t need (their words, not mine!). But as mini said, he schedules dinner/snack/study break after a certain time to keep the lack of sun away. Has really worked. Same goes for his older sib. She is just as, motivated (or driven or just as much of a hard a-s-s) as he is.</p>

<p>I realize it is my fault since I have SADD even more than they do. So no caffeine for me either.</p>

<p>Don’t think I can play squash 3 times a week though.
There are several students though that keep as he calls them “vampire” hours. They wake up too late for breakfast, go to class after lunch and their only meal is dinner he makes them all go to. He canot figure out how they do it (his meal plan was the determining factor on where he should go to school!!!). He requested and was given a single this year and was glad for it. They are doing room draw now and he is trying to organize who should be with you as far as his “posse” goes. Can’t have all the “loudies” together or all the “vampires” (when would they eat?) Makes for interesting conversation when he calls!!</p>

<p>Kat</p>

<p>Okay, now this is getting interesting. I always feel terrible around 5:00, 5:30 at the end of the year/beginning of the new year when it gets dark, even here in CA (though admittedly it was worse in the midwest). Less caffeine you say? My tendency is to try to have more . . . hmmm. Will have to look into this more . . .</p>

<p>Caffeine. Hmmm. D was anti-caffeine until she hit college . Jock thing. As in never had it. Now she’s a caffeine hound. Hmmm, again. </p>

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I just wanted to point out how exactly right this is. The semi-anonymity does help open the pipes. </p>

<p>I do pry. D tells me to. “Dad. It p##$es me off but stay on me.” She has to watch her medicine, her diet, her weight, her sleeping habits, her exercize habits and I have to watch her - but I ain’t there. I feel like “Dad, the Inquisitor”. But I’m going to keep on “prying” if that’s what I’m doing. She scared the crap out of us. </p>

<p>Another poster mentioned that girls who see a kid faltering might be more proactive. :slight_smile: That’s what happened to us. Suitemate becomes convinced D is “not doing that well”. She goes to the RA. The RA tells D - "You tell the counselors or I tell the counselors .Take your pick. " They ratted her out. Thank God. She called me on the way to the counselor’s office. Missed me. Told mom. That was not such a good thing. Mom cried a lot that week . Heck, by the time I got in the kid was doing better than the mom. LOL.</p>

<p>I’m pleasantly stunned by the honest revelations in this thread and am adding this stickynote so I can retrieve it easily…</p>

<p>That is true about the girls talking more affording opportunities to hear about problems. My Ds roommate told her mom she was worried about my D, since my D told roomie (off campus) she was scared of this guy who ended up being a stalker. I am very grateful to them for the head’s up, though it still took several weeks to figure things out as D was hiding things quite well and scumboy was extremely Eddie Haskellish (which, of course, gives a frisson of uneasiness by itself to each encounter) It was hard to derive proof that merited withdrawal from school and fleeing the area and was significant enough to give the school the basis they needed to work with us; I couldn’t really go in with just a hunch!</p>

<p>So, we had the opportunity to be checking into the issues and it took a while before we got honesty, so GO WITH YOUR GUT! And when all purports to be “fine” keep looking, hunt down any inconsistencies.</p>

<p>Also, Cur and others, I think it is the anonymity that allows us to bare our souls vs. talking in line at the market…you know in a small town it will take about 15 minutes for that story to get around town, and the circumstances are ever-changing, so you hate to put anything out which you are not sure is true, and by the time we parents have learned just what is true, we no longer need to talk it over with supportive neighbors!</p>

<p>It is such a gift (comparable to Andi’s mom’s honest and detailed story being such a gift for all up and coming applicants to see and understand what can happen ) for all of us to see “great” kids having issues- it’s normal, there is nothing, perse, wrong with us as parents or them as human beings, life requires adjustment and sometimes, when one is far from home, one reaches crisis before support can be offered. </p>

<p>It has been about a year since my D hit the wall and it was a slow, gradual trip back to what I would consider “normal” It took months to get back to “her” regular spot and it takes time to rebuild kids confidence in themselves and in their judgment, so be patient, be positive, help them see the light at the end of the tunnel, help them see whatever happened is not the end of the world, it is a mere rest stop on the highway of life and endeavor not to moan about what if (that would be parental or student moaning) but rather deal with what is, not what if!!!</p>

<p>I am a person who truly believes in sharing my family’s struggles and I do this locally as well as on the internet. In return, I have received the gift of being able to help others who then feel they can be open and honest with me. My co-workers have been incredibly supportive this week and have shared my pain and some laughs as well. They can’t wait to meet my WildChild and they have my permission to tease him about the great Utah caper. It’s sort of the way our family works! We screw up, but we try to recover, check out what went wrong, and find a few laughs. I had a long talk today with the mother of my son’s fellow escapee. She said her son told her on the phone, “We would have been fine. We’re self-sufficient!” She said, “You wouldn’t be nearly as self-sufficient without WildChild’s parent’s car and credit card!” We had a good laugh about that! She is hoping her son will stay in school. My son did damage control all day and got permission to make up the tests he missed and to take a personal leave until after spring break. He handed out all the forms for recs (to teachers who don’t even know him) etc. for the transfer apps.<br>
This is a great thread and I really appreciate all the honesty and the sharing of worries and pain. When my son was in his 9th grade boarding school in Austin, TX, I trained his wonderful advisor to preface any routine phone call to me with the words, “Nothing’s wrong, I’m just calling to…”</p>

<p>Thanks to everyone who has responded to our story and to those parents who have opened up and shared their own trying times. I appreciate so much the support, especially from those old friends on here who I’ve ‘known’ for going on three or four years (back in the SAT, NMSF, FAFSA days). :slight_smile: Also, to the newer people who have shared their problems, thank you. Especially atempo, your S’s story is horrific and wonderful at the same time. </p>

<p>One thing that really surprised me through this experience is how quickly and thoroughly I lost my perspective. Part of it was simply a lack of experience with depression/anxiety/breakdown issues, which were truly scary to me. Part of it was how suddenly S seemed to plunge to the depths. I looked back through saved emails from his freshman year and the summer and could find no hint of a brewing crisis. Nor were there indications of mental illness in high school or childhood. S was our good-natured absent-minded professor type who never complained, never asked for help with anything and who as a kid would walk into any new classroom or summer camp situation without looking back or even saying goodbye. How could he be “afraid” to step on campus or leave his apartment or turn off the light at night? </p>

<p>At first when we got him home I thought he would just snap out it after a few days of rest, homecooked food and family. Didn’t happen. He fluctuated from agitated to glum to irrational. Never smiled, never looked you in the eye when you talked (that’s a clue right there, parents, by the way. If your S or D is talking to you but not making eye contact over multiple conversations, there’s probably something wrong, which is a good reason to makean in-person visit rather than just depending on phone or email.) The eye contact improved almost simultaneously with the taking of his first dose of anti-depressant, which is how I finally knew that, among other issues, there was a brain chemistry situation.</p>

<p>The other difficult aspect was trying to figure out which came first: the stupid decisions or the chemical imbalance. For weeks, H and I insisted to ourselves that S’s decisions, irresponsible and stupid and lazy as they were, were to blame for his condition. We thought we should practice tough love and give harsh/logical consequences (like making him get a job immediately after the holidays in order to pay off debt to us; we didn’t end up doing this, but it seemed like a good idea at the time. Or like not letting him drive the family vehicle at all, etc…). When he was irritable and rude to us after the holidays, we wanted to set him straight about what kind of behavior we would and wouldn’t tolerate. When he didn’t offer to lift a finger to help around the house, it was so hard not to just start yelling at him to get off his butt. But we didn’t. H said to just be patient and this all would work out. But half the time I thought we were spoiling him and allowing him to avoid consequences. The other half of the time, I figured he’d already lost so much face for this fall from grace (among extended family and his friends and his own high expectations for himself) that any reactions from us would just be like piling on or kicking someone when they were down. </p>

<p>So I lived in limbo, waiting for the three of us to decide about 2nd semester. Waiting for the medical physical results. Waiting for the counselor’s recommendation. Waiting to see if the psych. would prescribe drugs, then waiting to see if they would work. Finally, wondering what we needed to see from S, and exactly what conditions we would impose on him, before it was safe/wise to send him back to his apartment. </p>

<p>I still don’t know if letting him go back was the right thing. Part of me thinks he needs to work out how to live properly away from home. The other side of me wonders if he’ll just fall right back into bad habits or poor coping mechanisms. And will he continue to lie or evade? And if he does, then is it time for the big logical consequences to kick in? How much patience do you show a kid like this? And how do you convey to him that you have confidence in his ability to successfully reboot his life when you really don’t have much at all, when you think that, while he’s learned a heck of a lot, it might not yet be enough. </p>

<p>I thought I was done letting go of him (psychologically) after the first couple months of college. Now he’s on my mind several times an hour, day and night and in my dreams even, and I find this renewed attachment and desire to control and shape his situation sort of unseemly and desperate. I’m longing for ‘proof’ that he is going to be okay/happy again, and that’s not only unrealistic at this stage but unfair, as well. Yet there it is.</p>

<p>Momof2inca:</p>

<p>It’s very hard to diagnose clinical depression if you’ve not experienced or witnessed it before.</p>

<p>I had an assistant who went into such a clinical depression but for the longest time, she refused to acknowledge it. There was always a plausible reason she was feeling glum or overwhelmed. After a while, I realized these were not the root cause of her erratic behavior and I threatened to fire her if she did not seek help. She very reluctantly went on medical leave while I tried to hold things together as best I could. She tried several kinds of medication until she found the right kind. Eventually she came back to work and has been fine ever since. That was about ten years ago.</p>

<p>As I said in an earlier post, clinical depression can surface in young people at around the time of college, and it is easy to misinterpret the signs because so much about college can cause anxiety from new surroundings, challenging courses, romantic troubles, etc… But as long as the clinical depression is brought under control, I feel sure that young people can thrive. I do think that your son has turned a corner and that he will be back to his normal self. It may be a relief for him to know that it was a chemical issue rather than an inability to cope with college that was the cause.</p>

<p>Momof2, Your last post really brings it all back. My husband and I have been in exactly the same place emotionally as you. As your son’s recovery continues, you’ll get through this stage and learn to trust him again. Just remember that your son isn’t making rational decisions when he lies to you. He has an illness that’s just as real and insidious as cancer.</p>

<p>My husband and I had to learn to change our approach with our son in order to facilitate his recovery. When we attended sessions with our son’s wonderful psychologist, he helped us see that our son was incapable of making rational decisions. As a result, our tough love was exactly the wrong approach. The psychologist told us that we had to lay off him completely. We were to let him sleep all day, play video games, ignore our request for help with chores, and talk back without repercussions if he so chose. We learned that with true clinical depression, too much pressure from parents actually makes matters worse.</p>

<p>Hard as it was for us, this is exactly what my husband and I did. It was especially difficult for my husband. I don’t know if it’s a guy thing or what, but he simply couldn’t understand why our son wasn’t motivated to succeed like he had been in college. He blamed laziness and irresponsibility. Once we both backed off our son, however, we began to see real improvement.</p>

<p>We showered our son with love. If he talked back to one of us, we’d simply give him a hug and tell him we loved him. If he read a book, I’d read it, too, so I could discuss it with him. If he didn’t want to join us at dinner (which was often, as he had no appetite), I’d pick up his plate without a word. We praised him whenever he completed even the smallest task.</p>

<p>One of the most helpful things we did was to bring home two puppies. They absolutely adored our son, and I could literally see his enjoyment of life creeping back as he played with them. In fact, I credit them with helping change his sleeping and gaming habits. Every morning, they galloped down our upstairs hall and leaped on his bed to slather him with wet puppy kisses. It was impossible for him to sleep late. It was the same thing with video games. Whenever he devoted his attention to games, the puppies jumped all over him and distracted him. He always wound up playing with the dogs instead of gaming.</p>

<p>As our son began to show improvement, we started giving him responsibilities. Our mantra was “Small goals.” I sent him to the grocery store to pick up something for dinner. My husband asked for help with rugby practice. I had him hang up the shirts I’d washed that day. Eventually, he reached the point where we tested him by leaving him alone overnight with the puppies. I was worried sick, but he did magnificently. When we arrived home the next day, the kitchen was spotless, his bed was made, and the dogs were fed, watered, and happy. The next step was a long weekend alone, and he was again successful.</p>

<p>During this time, he began an internship. We were thrilled at his dedication and responsible behavior towards his job. My husband and I suggested that he sign up for two night courses at the local university, and he agreed. Even after working full-time during the day, he never missed a class. He beamed when he brought home two As at the end of the semester.</p>

<p>I guess what I’m trying to say is that we knew when we had our son back. We knew when we could trust him again. If you still don’t trust your son, perhaps he is not yet far enough along in his recovery. It took us nine full months, but we knew without question.</p>

<p>Reading through the concerns of some of the parents here regarding second semester blues reminds me of the onset of my son’s disease. At the beginning of his sophomore year, he became very noncommunicative (or, should I say, more noncommunicative than usual.) Whenever we asked him how he was doing, he would answer “fine” just like many other kids in this thread. Over Christmas, he said he wasn’t as happy as he thought he should be, but he was doing OK. I talked with him about his sleeping and eating habits, class schedule, and online gaming. Because I thought SADD might be a problem, I bought him a daylight lamp, multivitamins, and vitamin D supplements. (He never drank coffee or soda, so caffeine wasn’t his problem.) I tried to stay in closer contact with him over the next semester, but he never seemed to want to talk. He was “fine.”</p>

<p>He seemed happy over the summer, so I didn’t worry when he went back to school. Over the course of his junior year, however, he again started feeling down. He wrote us a long e-mail one night saying he just wasn’t happy. This time, I suggested counseling. When he said he didn’t need it, I drove up to his school and took him to his appointments. After a while, he told us was was better and didn’t need counseling anymore. We believed him.</p>

<p>Then came senior year. Ah, senior year. At first, our son seemed to be coping. As the year progressed, I began to notice he never answered, or returned, my phone calls. He never responded to my daily e-mails, even when I asked specific questions that needed answers. He never got on instant messaging anymore. I finally sent an e-mail informing him we were withdrawing our financial support if he didn’t communicate with us. At that point, he sent the e-mail that resulted in our withdrawing him from school. Essentially, the e-mail said “he felt dead inside…he didn’t find joy in anything anymore…he couldn’t eat or sleep…he avoided his friends…he couldn’t bring himself to get out of bed to attend classes.” </p>

<p>This shocked me into action. I called a psychologist, who said my husband and I needed to get up to our son’s school and bring him home immediately. So, without our son’s prior knowledge, we drove up to his school and surprised him. Much to our amazement, he agreed with us when we told him we thought he should come home. The rest is history.</p>

<p>I’m aware that many of your children don’t suffer from clinical depression. If, however, the posts in this thread help even one of you to recognize your child’s symptoms as clinical depression, then they’ve served a useful purpose.</p>

<p>You know what one of the best things about our son’s recovery has been? He FINALLY communicates with us. After almost four years of calling home only when he needed something, he now calls almost every day and sometimes talks for 30 minutes to an hour. These are quality talks, ranging from details about his everyday life to his feelings and emotions. He frequently tells us how much our support over the past year means to him and how much he loves us. The other day he sent an e-mail saying “Dad, I know you have to work an extra year before you retire because of me. I love you guys, straight up.” Gulp.</p>

<p>I am so grateful to everyone who has helped us through this difficult time. Most importantly, I’m bursting at the seams with pride at what our son has achieved despite significant obstacles: his happiness.</p>

<p>atempo, thanks so much for the post. You give me hope! I think depression is very hard to recognize in boys. Congrats on coming out the other side. </p>

<p>The puppy account reminds me of how we acquired the love of my life, Charly, our big Golden (120 pounds). When WildChild was REALLY struggling at 16 and had been kicked out of a prep school and was home with us and out of control, he kept asking for a puppy. We had 4 cats and a nasty, old poodle that had gotten evicted from my aunt’s nursing home. We said “no” to the puppy. Well, WildChild was SO desparate for something to “ground” him and for him to love, he stole our checkbook, found a breeder and came home with the most precious puppy you have ever seen. We held out our arms and the rest is history. My daughter (22) saw me “tucking him in” for the night in January and said that she and her brother have been officially replaced! After the arrival of Charly, we sent dear WildChild to wilderness and raised the puppy. I keep telling my son that getting the puppy was the real gift that came from all his acting out. Back to the point, the therapists told us that all these behaviors were signs of depression in our son. We were used to the mopey, teary, immobilizing kind of depression, and just didn’t peg this one at all.</p>

<p>One thing we found is that when someone is in a deep depression even such a small step as finding there way to a counselor can seem overwhelming. </p>

<p>Also the counseling staff at some colleges are not trained enough to deal with major depression. Most schools employ interns. Or they only provide a certain number of visits. If your kids are at all prone to depression it is important you plan proactively and know what the school provides. Also if necessary to already have lined up an outside therapist before they even get to college.
With our oldest she had been doing well but we felt she needed to be able to see someone with all the changes that college would bring. Her therapist at home called contacts and talked with therapists in the college town to find someone who was a good fit.
My oldest still struggles and definitely has had some ups and downs. I third the power of a pet. My spouse is on his way today to visit with our child for the day with one of our dogs.</p>

<p>atempo: That was a great post, straight up.</p>

<p>MOWC: What a handful, but that kid’s is going to achieve something someday. Talk about a go-getter.</p>

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<p>And sometimes what they provide will be quite lacking. In October, when S finally decided that it was time to see someone to get some help for his major anxiety, he called the campus mental health center and was told that he could get a 20-min. phone appointment in THREE WEEKS time! Not even see someone in person. He set it up and then later found out the phone appointment landed at the time of his midterm. He gave up at that point (all of this without confiding in us that anything was even wrong) and wasn’t able to talk to a professional until the day after Christmas. I’m thankful the two-month delay did not result in more serious harm, since he was self-medicating with various substances and behaviors. I told him I was proud of him for initiating help, even if it wasn’t successful. </p>

<p>atempo- your post has also given me much hope. Thank you for sharing in such detail. We sound very similar in our approaches and experiences. You and your H are to be commended for how you handled your son’s situation. I’m so happy to hear that he is doing well.</p>

<p>I find it very frustrating and troubling that kids who know they need help and gather up the courage, energy or whatever it takes to try to get it end up having such difficulty getting the help they need. I know with the girl my D and her friend went to their proctor about, the girl had tried to get an appointment but was told there was a three week wait. It was only when her hallmates were concerned enough to alert the proctor that she was bumped to the head of the line. And of course, that was probably bad news for someone else.</p>

<p>One other thing that has bothered me was my h.s. son’s comment yesterday when I mentioned this thread and the difficulty students have coping with depression at college. His response, “I thought they kicked you out if you tried to get help.” I know that he was thinking of a couple of well publicized incidents in which suicidal students were forced to take leaves of absence, and I believe I set my own S straight, but I wonder how many depressed students are fearful of getting help because they worry they’ll be kicked out of school.</p>

<p>I’m so glad to see this, and it scares me at the same time. My jr in hs son has had bouts of anxiety and depression and the idea of sending him off to college is scary. Maybe because he has dealt with it in the past he won’t let it go too far and will recognize it.
My neighbor’s son is the one highlighted in the People magazine with the photo. It was a long year before he got back to school and his parents weren’t upfront around us for awhile about what was going on with him. He is back in school (the original one, although his parents would have rathered he switch) and doing well.</p>

<p>Folks, one thing is for sure. Whether our own kid’s troubles be major or minor (or like mine, somewhere in the middle), we’re not through parenting yet, are we? ;)</p>

<p>I’m probably lobbing a grenade here, but this thread makes me wonder–how often do parents hesitate to step into these kinds of situations and help their kids find help, now that we’re all labeled “helicopter parents” so readily?</p>