<p>Well sorry if my sincere comment wasnt clear enough. I tried as best I could to be CLEAR in my sincerity. It was genuine. I meant it. And I repeat, having known women who have been victims of sexual assault of many forms, and people who have been wrongly accused of something they did not do, it is not a situation you or anyone you care about wants to be in. I SINCERELY hope posters here do not have to experience this. It was NOT sarcastic. This is the trouble with netiquette. Hard to tell the tone or intent. Thats why I chose the word genuinely (first wrote truly- but changed it).</p>
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<p>Not only are those facts disputed in the lawsuit, it also calls the entire integrity/credibility of the judicial board there into question due to the fact the faculty sitting in judgment knew the alleged victim’s father as a colleague and the allegations they violated their own bylaws/policies in the entire administrative judicial process.</p>
<p>Assuming there’s a trial, those are some of the disputes the judge and courts will need to sort out. </p>
<p>As for the situation at Oberlin, I’m horrified at the way they handled those cases. </p>
<p>However, considering I witnessed how internal politics and byzantine procedures can hamstring even an open & shut case like my engineering major friend’s grade dispute with a senior math prof with an animus against engineering majors at a top-20 university and possibly the fact he’s biracial, it doesn’t come as much of a surprise unfortunately.</p>
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Hope your English teacher 20+ years ago, would downgrade you for your “personal” commentary/accusation in post #299.</p>
<p>Now… moving on… Of course the lawsuit is going to purport their side of the story. We have to wait until all the information is disclosed. </p>
<p>And as for the accusation that some math student was mistreated in some other situation eons ago because he is biracial, why on earth would his ethnicity matter in that situation?</p>
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<p>There’s a reason why I graduated closer to the bottom of my HS class. :)</p>
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<p>Because in the course of the investigation, it was revealed that there were troubling patterns of racism allegations/conduct on that math Prof’s part going back decades. However, due to a combination of such behavior being more accepted during the earlier parts of his career, his being tenured, and his having powerful friends in the university, the most they could do was to force the Prof to give my friend the grade he merited through his exams/problem sets and allow him to retire without penalties.</p>
<p>My friend was in no position to contest as he was a first-generation URM FA/scholarship student from a low-income family.</p>
<p>Don’t really want to take this thread any further off topic, and really dont want to go down the “racism” trail, but if one is going to make accusations (related to that other situation) of racism, there should be evidence to back it up. Are you making accusations of racism in the VC situation or any of the other cases (Oberlin, USC, Dartmouth, etc) cited in this thread?</p>
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<p>I posted those articles so the readers here could be provided a glimpse into how this case is being perceived in some parts of the Chinese/Chinese-American community…whether rightly or wrongly.</p>
<p>Incidentally, the lawsuit itself makes no such allegations as far as I can recall. However, considering the long history of racism in US history against various groups…including Chinese Americans, it is understandable why some in that community may feel that way in light of the lawsuit allegations and known circumstances of the case so far. </p>
<p>Ironically, this reaction would be viewed with some sympathy by anti-racism activists and other students at Oberlin when I attended and from what I’ve heard from Vassar alums, the same there. </p>
<p>Moreover, according to friends involved in anti-racism and feminist activism, the issue of White privilege, sexism, and racism within some earlier anti-racism and feminist movements was a factor in why there’s been some bitter disputes between some feminist groups and anti-racism groups over the last few decades.</p>
<p>Its possible people presume racism where it does not exist.</p>
<p>Here is another account of the lawsuit. </p>
<p>[Courthouse</a> News Service](<a href=“http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/06/27/58882.htm]Courthouse”>http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/06/27/58882.htm)</p>
<p>It seems that Yu’s position is that if the victim didn’t go to the police and didn’t have a rape kit completed she wasn’t raped.</p>
<p>Point made.</p>
<p>Agree Mini. Call the police if you are the victim of a crime.</p>
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<p>I think that that is a gross mis-characterization of his complaint/story, as described in this article and elsewhere.</p>
<p>It is included here as ONE piece of evidence that she was not raped, it is not the lynchpin of his defense. </p>
<p>If you were him, and you had engaged in what appeared to you to be consensual sex, would you not point out that their was no rape accusation at the time, no report to the police, and no rape kit? Or would you just not bother to mention those things?</p>
<p>"Incidentally, the lawsuit itself makes no such allegations as far as I can recall. However, considering the long history of racism in US history against various groups…including Chinese Americans, it is understandable why some in that community may feel that way in light of the lawsuit allegations and known circumstances of the case so far. "</p>
<p>No, it’s not “understandable” at all. Get a grip. Whatever the merits of the case, there is zero evidence that there was racist prejudice shown against this young man. Just because some people wish to look for racism everywhere doesn’t mean it exists in every given case.</p>
<p>the administrative cover up of the college rape culture has been going on for a long time, on all campuses. The campuses that are openly addressing it, right now, due to the women students refusing to be silenced are the ones that would be most interesting to me. Any college pretending they don’t have this issue (I’m not sure how it is on all women’s campuses, though, to be fair), is just doing the same thing that’s been being done for decades.</p>
<p>there is an article about a study done at Princeton which showed they had a huge rape problem. They chose to bury the study, which was leaked to the school paper.
<a href=“http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/03/14/1716211/princeton-assault-survey/[/url]”>http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/03/14/1716211/princeton-assault-survey/</a></p>
<p>there is a problem at my alma matter, UNC-CH, which is being addressed. The chancellor was actually fired, as were several others.
<a href=“http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/25/victim-sues-unc-expulsion/2018261/[/url]”>http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/25/victim-sues-unc-expulsion/2018261/</a></p>
<p>there is a problem, as we have seen, at even more, and there are issues at schools which have not yet looked at the issue.</p>
<p>Acquaintance rape, drunk rape, rape rape, all of these things are done by repeat offenders. Young women should report to the police. Get a copy of the police report and THEN go to the school police and whatnot. If affordable, get an attorney for your kid if they are raped, since they will also be interrogated.</p>
<p>In the end, report. Since the majority of rapes are committed by repeat offenders, more than one report on one perpetrator has lead to convictions in other areas. Report report report.</p>
<p>As to the young woman from Vassar being “friends” with her rapist, this is a pattern you will see in a culture in which the criminal has protections, particularly on college campuses, which are small and self-contained “communities.” the good news is that the more that the young women speak up and agitate, the more things change. For most of our history, the woman who accused the man of rape was ostracized and punished, and the man was free. Now, the biggest change is in the attitudes of the students. A little light on the subject is the best we can hope for.</p>
<p>Re" UNC-CH</p>
<p>[UNC</a> Faces Federal Investigation Into Retaliation Complaint By Sexual Assault Survivor](<a href=“HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost”>UNC Faces Federal Investigation Into Retaliation Complaint By Sexual Assault Survivor | HuffPost College)</p>
<p>Yep. they are all going to face this kind of thing if the women keep talking, 07. As an alum, I am in complete support of this young woman.</p>
<p>I think it is a positive situation when suits by both parties going into the fairness of the administrative process/procedures get filed. This may result in the exposure of the total inadequacy and inability of an educational institution handling these type situations.</p>
<p>At least if this is clearly known, perhaps someone can come up with something that works. </p>
<p>mini’s Williams College defines “sexual misconduct” to include mutually incapacitated sexual intercourse (oral, anal or vaginal) with any object however slight. That seems to allow the institution to protect the other students by taking action against both parties if they are wasted and get into a dispute afterwards about the encounter. If the limited institutional resources results in a “we don’t know and we won’t guess” situation, the school can get rid of both. </p>
<p>Williams has a conduct requirement that the student obey all State alcohol and drug laws so at least for the under 21 group, the alcohol/drug would provide a basis to act without regard to the consent/non-consent issue.</p>
<p>Thank you, poetgrl, for your information. You have your finger on the pulse of this ongoing challenge for victims (male and female), of sexual assault. It is most unfortunate when victims feel empowered to speak out and find their voice that they are faced with overt or covert pressure to hush up.</p>
<p>Yes, Jym, as we know, this has been one of the biggest open secrets on college campuses for years. It has been a huge win for college women that the DOJ has made this a huge priority recently.</p>
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<p>[UNC</a> and its Honor Court have failed sexual assault survivors | News Feature | Indy Week](<a href=“http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/unc-and-its-honor-court-have-failed-sexual-assault-survivors/Content?oid=3461355]UNC”>http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/unc-and-its-honor-court-have-failed-sexual-assault-survivors/Content?oid=3461355)</p>
<p>This case, which I’ve been following from the beginning, seems an excellent example of victim blaming. When she originally speaks up others, even other women, blame her for having put herself in that position, for not having been more powerful and protecting herself. When she becomes empowered enough to really speak up, she opens herself up to punishment.</p>
<p>If the young man (who admits the assault) hadn’t behaved as he did, no action would have been required on her part.</p>