@soccerguy315 @Iglooo If the case is that self-evident, why not just take the vote? It’s clear to me that the bill would be voted down. Why are they afraid to go on the record? Maybe this?
How’s that it’s reasonable AG can put someone on the list without having to prove anything? If 72 hours is too short, make it longer a week or a month but there has to be a limit to keeping the person on the list without any evidence.
So they should vote, Iglooo. The bill will not pass.
Yes, I think that’s what everyone is missing. They’re protesting just so they can vote. They are protesting in order to do their job. They’re not even protesting for it to pass.
ETA: Not everyone, just many people.
"also, is your position really that as long as you don’t want to exercise your rights, it is ok for the government to take them away? What if this was the 4th amendment? or 5th? "
Well, since you asked, if I were a benevolent dictator I’d get rid of the 2nd amendment. I recognize that’s not feasible, and I get why people have guns for hunting, and I can even wrap my head around having ONE gun at home for self defense. But assault rifles? Open and/or concealed carry at the supermarket or whatever? What kind of insanity is that?
Watched some of it on C-Span, and I thought some speeches were very moving (particularly Jim Himes) as was Gabby Giffords’ letter.
While I support the cause, I’m generally not in favor of anarchy. If the other side were sitting in for a cause I don’t happen to support, I would be seething. Will the senate be next, sitting in for an up or down vote on the supreme court nominee?
I think the better course is to negotiate and legislate properly. But these days, maybe that is a pipe dream.
Oh also - don’t bother asking me “so can you define this type of weapon? This type? This type?” And thinking that it’s some kind of “gotcha” when I can’t.
Because frankly it’s a point of pride with me not to know about guns. Unless you are in the armed forces or are a policeman or a security guard, or perhaps a hunter or historical collector, I frankly think it’s a culture marker - and not one I subscribe to - to know a lot about guns. I classify it along with knowing how to make moonshine, knowing who’s who in the monster truck world, knowing how to make crystal meth, or knowing all the characters on Honey Boo Boo. Information that people of substance needn’t concern themselves with.
And this is really the problem. The intransigence has been an increasing problem for decades. Now it’s spilling over.
If you can’t define what it is you’re outlawing, you can pretty much make up what’ll make the prohibited list as the mood strikes you. Later. Might be reassuring to some, but not others.
John Lewis notwithstanding… not being able to vote on something is just another day on the Hill.
cata, no it’s not. They find plenty of time and opportunity to vote on taking healthcare away from people. 60+ times, last I heard. If it’s important to them, they do it. For some reason… hmm, what could it be? … they are avoiding this particular vote like the plague.
It’s really pathetic that Congress can’t act like civilized adults and have a constructive, collaborative discussion on issues instead of having to have sit-ins.
@VeryHappy Your Rep Himes started this when he refused to participate in the moment of silence last week. And @DocT Your Sen Murphy’s epic filibuster forced the issue. You both should be very proud!
I want a no fly, no buy bill with due process, but this is just anarchy and accomplishes nothing.
Tatin, all they gotta do is call the vote. It would take 15 minutes.
Well, I love a good protest.
The more they do stuff like this, the more tempers flare, the less likely they are to compromise.
Oh, the gun people are never going to compromise. They’ve made that very clear long before tonight. That’s exactly why they won’t allow the vote.
As I understand it from watching CNN, it comes down to the due process involved in how a person gets on or off the no fly list.
So why don’t they allow a vote? They’ll win it, guaranteed.