Son seems overwhelmed

<p>SuNa, you said that tyour son had no AP math credit so I assume that he is in a Calc 1 section. According to the Fall '06 class roster, there is no honors Calc 1 sections and the 19 Calc 1 sections use the identical syllabus and have the same homework sets. Most of the 19 sections are taught by TA’s and perhaps that is the problem. Also,there are some Calc 2 honors sections but I don’t see how your son could be enrolled in one of those and if he mistakenly has that would certainly be the problem!!! </p>

<p>I have posted a link to the Calc 1 web page which shows all the resources available to the Calc 1 students including 2 homework study sessions staffed by undergrad TAs, grad TA office hours, tutoring at the Math Support Center and non-credit Math 011 which goes over the Calc 1 lecture material. If he takes advantage of these support services I have no doubt that he will get through Calc 1.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.math.cornell.edu/~web111/course_information.html[/url]”>http://www.math.cornell.edu/~web111/course_information.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I too have a son at college, and I have found him to be below average in his communications home. I try not to take it personally…and I try not to worry or pester…I can be very effective at some things and I procrastinate at others…why should my kids be any different??</p>

<p>My favorite dropping off story from last week actually applies to this thread, so I share it, SuNa, in the hopes that it will make you laugh… at least about the package!! My son got a birthday card at the end of April from his grandparents…with a check…sent to his mailbox at school. He came home in early May…having never checked his mailbox before he left. Needless to say, the grandparents have “worried” about this missing check for 3 mos…and called to remind him twice before he returned to campus to check the mailbox and destroy the check. They had cancelled it…and actually given him the cash on their last visit before his departure! So, I drive him down… and we go for lunch…stopping at the post office first. I wait outside, as it turns out there is a 30 minute line for mail. I befriend another parent, also waiting. Their son and mom come out…we chat…I mention that my son is retrieving a belated birthday card…and voila, the son holds up his own birthday card from his grandparents too…he also had a late April birthday and was too busy with finals to check his mailbox…it was too funny to be believed…</p>

<p>I think these kids get so many communications thru cell phones and e-mail that packages and posts are just not in their active thoughts/to-do lists. </p>

<p>Computers can be a drag…my printer is tempermental…sometimes the wireless doesn’t work reliably…I find it gets me down…</p>

<p>Give him a few more weeks for things to shake out…except for the add/drop stuff…no one wants to drop below 4 courses…and no one wants to fail…trust that time will ease the angst for you, anyway!!</p>

<p>Parents, remember when we went off to college in the days in which there were no personal computers, IM didn’t exist, cell phones didn’t exist, voicemail and phone message machines didn’t exist, and long distance charges were high, so calls were infrequent? Despite not being able to constantly call our folks with our day to day hassles, we did fine.</p>

<p>I believe the same is true for our kids who are away in college.</p>

<p>IMO a student who is smart enough to be at Cornell is smart enough to get computer messages even if his computer doesn’t work. He’s also smart enough to figure out the ropes to switching out of classes and to learn whether it’s a good idea to change classes. He may choose to procrastinate, but if so, he probably is smart enough to learn his lesson and become more organized if as a result he gets some low test or paper grades.</p>

<p>If he doesn’t pick up goodies sent from home, then seems that’s a big message that those aren’t important to him, so you can spend your time doing something else – perhaps something for yourself. (I have to admit, that I have BTDT when it comes to sending unpicked up goodies to my older S. Ended up, he was too busy partying, doing ECs, etc. to bother with the goodies that honestly meant much more to me than to him.)</p>

<p>If he misses meals due to difficulties getting to the caf, I’m sure he’s smart enough to figure out a way to compensate. He won’t starve to death. </p>

<p>I think it’s normal for freshmen to feel overwhelmed. Particularly at the top colleges where virtually all students will manage to graduate, the students do figure things out. In other words, I gently agree with the person who says it’s time to cut the cord.</p>

<p>An interesting thread to me and perhaps I can contribute a cautionary tale…My son just <em>finally</em> graduated from UT-Austin where he had entered as a 17 year old and, based on 1600 SAT’s and other “perfect” scores, was placed in third year level math classes (his intended major). He was far more overwhelmed than I realized and simply didn’t go to class. I don’t think he partied but rather just read other things, poked around Austin and listened to music. By the time grades came out, he did poorly enough (3 F’s and 2 D’s) that he was asked to take the next semester off. He lost all his merit scholarship money and his free ride. I thought he would learn his lesson. The next year was only marginally better. This time, a full year off, imposed by both school and me. By the third (or by this time really fourth and fifth) year, he convinced me he needed to switch to what became a double major in French literature and English. Result: he ended up with a 3.95 for his junior and senior year classes to go with his 1.2 for his first two years. btw, I am a single dad and probably was not enough of a nurturer, esp. to son. Also, despite his “agreement” on math major, obviously not where his heart was. I should have been more perceptive, but he was hitting them out of the park in everything in high school, but seemed esp. good at math and hard sciences.</p>

<p>Part of this was youth, part was clearly emotional, part was feeling pressure to go into a major he didn’t really like, but bottom line is I would be sensitive to intervene with appropriate help and while I would agree with the “gentle” advice to cut the chord, I would be in there more aggressively with good advice and sound expectations that the little things should be surmounted by him. They are excuses and maybe also a cry for help. Certainly, be alert for academic problems and be willing to get to root of issues, esp. if there is emotional component that needs to be addressed.</p>

<p>Further irony with respect to this thread, I went to Cornell and was a <em>terrible</em> student, skipped about half my classes but got good enough grades to go to Harvard for law school owing to the good mix of my basic skills and wise choice of courses (not necessarily easy ones, but ones that played into my strengths). Part of what my son learned was that you can’t do that in math (and I expect not in any science or in many other majors as well). It’s hard to understand the ramifications of decisions you make as a 17 or 18 year old. Looking back, I probably almost bragged about my lack of diligence in my government and German majors and that may have fueled part of my son’s dilatoriness with his math courses, buttressed by the special treatment accorded to him in admissions process at UT. He now wants to go to law school. Of course, again a perfect score, this time on LSAT. It is now, however, coupled with an overall 2.9 GPA so his options are severely constrained. </p>

<p>He has “learned his lesson” I think, but with at least some ramifications. It is hard not to blame myself, but it is also important to realize these are our children’s lives. They will make mistakes, sometimes serious ones. They will also, in all likelihood and despite some consequences, emerge better from those experiences.</p>

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Yes, I remember - the profs all gave their assignments written on PAPER on something called a syllabus, and they expected anything we wrote to be delivered to them on PAPER, an there was no such thing as an assignment that needed be emailed by midnight (just PAPER that need to be delivered by the time of class or perhaps 5:00pm on the deadline). I composed all of my papers on a TYPEWRITER. Sometimes the keys jammed, but not once did the typewriter itself mysteriously crash, need to be rebooted, or otherwise fail to function.</p>

<p>So yeah, we had a lot less support from home, but then things were a lot less complicated in many ways, too.</p>

<p>Sure the typewriters crashed – during power failures.</p>

<p>When I was a freshman in college, there was a prolonged power outage the night before the introductory psychology term paper was due. Half the kids on my floor were taking that course. Nobody could type on their electric typewriters, and people were hysterical. The RA finally called the professor and explained about the power situation, and the professor immediately gave everyone a 24-hour extension. I think both the RA and the professor were afraid people might commit suicide if he didn’t.</p>

<p>That’s only if you had an * electric * typewriter. We are certainly dating ourselves here! </p>

<p>And even if you did have one of them newfangled things, you didn’t find that all of your work had vanished like invisible ink!</p>

<p>I had to laugh at the reference to electric typewriters, having come from the manual era myself. “Mac or PC?” has now replaced “Pica or Elite?”</p>

<p>I have to respectfully disagree with the comment that things are a whole lot more complicated these days. It was hard to type a nearly perfect paper without the advantages of spellcheck, word processing and saving your work onto a disk. The essentials are the same - you grow up and leave home and try to find your way.</p>

<p>Marian, I never was able to type in the dark anyway, but fortunately never had any power outages at college. I do get outages a lot during winter at my home, at least this past winter, and I have to admit that its nice that my laptop still works, as long as the outage doesn’t last more than my battery life … but then the wireless router goes down and I lose the internet connection … and then I can’t connect to CC… and then I start experiencng withdrawal symptoms…</p>

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I’m going to pick on yor language a little … I think the procrastination will likely lead to negative consequences … however I wouldn’t go with disaster as a descriptor. If my kids don’t struggle some when they first get to college then I think they probably undershot with their choice … and for my less structured and less proactive kid it is much more likely he struggles when he first gets to college. The content and grade of his freshman seminar will not ultimately matter one nit in his life … but his learning to manage his time and handle situations are, in my opinion, two of the main goals of any students freshman year in college. Getting a few Cs and Bs is not a bad thing … and for many students I think it may be a good thing … especially those who cruised through HS with bad habits. The best thing that ever happened to me professionally and personally was getting humbled my first few semesters at Cornell … that experience gave me the kick in the pants to get my act together … and I believe it only happened because of I NEEDED to change to suceed at Cornell. Hidden in those comments were a case for patience a lot of patience … I went to college with 18 years of learned poor habits … it took a year to learn the lesson my old way wouldn’t work and almost another year figuring out how to modify my habits to make it work for me. For me kids facing challenges at college is a good thing … and hopefully I will let me kids work through these issues (short of facing academic probation).</p>

<p>redcrimblue - nice post.</p>

<p>3togo- Yeah I guess it depends on what is meant by disaster. When I was in college, I procrastinated paying some bills which resulted in our apartment not getting phone service for a semester. It wasn’t a disaster for me, but my folks probably thought it was since we didn’t have cell phones back then!</p>

<p>Suna,
Hopefully since the time of your post, things have begun to look up for you and your son. As you can see from many that took the time to respond to your concerns that what you are dealing with is not uncommon. </p>

<p>The only thing that I would like to add is that Prayer works. If you are a believer know that the Lord hears you and even this will work together for the good of you and your son for the word (Romans 8:28) says so.</p>

<p>enjoyed so many of these posts but especially redcrimblue’s non linear experience with higher education via his son. Life can be such a puzzle and things do not unfold as expected for our young as much as we like to smooth their roads.</p>

<p>Somehow I think his son is going to find a vocation and excel.<br>
my formally freshman S was also an ingrate (to me) about a couple really nice care packages I sent his way with requested items and a few other things. Now on the other hand, when my college roommate mailed cookies and brownies (he doesn’t eat them but the rest of the guys sure did), I have to admit he wrote immediate brief thank you emails to her and acknowledged all such items from the old folks. </p>

<p>So my self lesson…care packages from Mom are a bit of a Thud perhaps left best in the haze of my memories of a simpler era in my college years…not apparantly the right note in the new digital age for my boy at least and I don’t mail them anymore. For those of you who have appreciative sons, more power to you! But at least he had the manners to thank the others.</p>

<p>I think it is difficult to know what to do re advising when parents are not really saavy re a college academic decisions. Keep in mind that the kids will call home only to Vent and will learn best from each other and need to backtrack sometimes. Freshmen need to learn how to quiz upperclassmen and to examine options but successful students who gain entry to many schools like Cornell usually think their sweat equity can take them anywhere and they have never hit a wall before.</p>

<p>regarding sons and care packages…I sent one to S the first week of his freshman year. I called him from the post office parking lot to alert him that it was on it’s way. S replied (not in a rude way but more like "what’s up with you?) “Mom, I just moved to college. It’s not like I’m in Egypt”.<br>
I never sent another one and he managed on his own just fine!</p>

<p>PackMom, that is funny! I can imagine my S saying something very similar! I just spoke with a friend yesterday who’s D is off to college. Her D has been calling 2-3 times a day! I think that might drive me crazy. Though so far my only experience has been my son being away at summer programs, and I was lucky if I got one call during the six weeks. So I think I’m prepared for no contact when he goes off next weekend. I’m still planning on sending him care packages…though I do wonder if he’ll ever get to the post office to pick things up.</p>

<p>My S is in his second year at Cornell and one of the what appears to be many who are too busy to eat on the meal plan or go over to RPC to pick up care packages…</p>

<p>The first care package he didn’t pick up I had very hurt feelings…but I’d met his room mate and hall mates, and liked them, and so included multiples of everything and made sure they all knew the packages were for all of them…no longer was S “allowed” to not pick up packages (which I fully agree are more for my sake than for his!!!)…one of the kids even said “send the box to me; I’ll pick it up”…I did and S never again was late picking up a box! (I only sent about 5 all year…sounds like I was “living” at the PO but I wasn’t “that” bad!)…</p>

<p>As for the meal plan…he, too, didn’t ever seem to be near a relevant dining hall (there are 9 scattered around the campus where he can eat on his meal plan) at time it was open…he used ‘big red bucks’ ($500 come w/most of the meal plan options) at Bear Necessities or Collegetown Bagels…he didn’t pick up the “freshman 15,” but he didn’t starve (or get sick), either…</p>

<p>We thought about reducing his meals from 14/week to 10/week…but the cost differential was less than $100/semester and I sleep better knowing he can eat, even if he chooses not to…so we kept it at 14/week…we also “rejiggered” the big red bucks vs allowance equation…he was using more than the $500/semester in “big red bucks” he got on his plan, but I wasn’t willing to pay for meals twice–once on the plan and once via more money in his account…so we rearranged the balances…worked well for us…</p>

<p>As far as I can tell, there’s someone to help at every corner at Cornell…but the student has to go to the source for the help…they don’t come looking to see if the student needs help…so maybe what OP’s S needs more than anything is a reminder that his problems are totally solvable, easily, if he chooses to use the resources available to him to solve them…or maybe the real answer is what other posters have said: the problems aren’t anywhere near as problematic for the OP’s S as they are for the OP (welcome to my world! I spend LOTS of energy stepping back/letting go/reminding myself they are not MY problems to solve!)…</p>

<p>Good luck to OP and her S…hope he/they enjoy Cornell as much as my S (and I as his parent) do…</p>

<p>Update: Well, a week later, and S seems to be keeping his head above water. He got into a different writing seminar (took some initiative) that emphasizes drama, and likes it. He continues with the not-so-hard Spanish, but reports he is learning a lot (this confirms my long-held impression that his h.s. Spanish classes were not loaded with content). Psych 101 continues; he likes it but reports that he has missed a couple of lectures because he is “too tired.” (I recall hearing that that class takes attendance, but so far I’ve held off mentioning that to him, a small triumph.) The honors calc. has been dropped, and he is considering taking Italian or a film class to replace it (again, I’d like to say, hurry up, more than two weeks are gone, but I’ve held my tongue). He picked up my package, but didn’t effuse with thankfulness; he reports he is eating better, and he’s finding time to play some tennis. He lost his ATM card in a Collegetown machine but got it back a few days later. I don’t know whether his the phone situation is resolved.</p>

<p>All in all, I’m heading into the weekend feeling considerably better than last week!</p>

<p>Hey SuNa,
thanks for the update…long time ago, I did the math on what it cost to skip 1 class…if you find your S is missing a few too many classes, you may want to show him the math…Assume $20K a semester…16 weeks of classes…that is $1250 a week…or $83 an hour, assuming 15 hrs a week… the cost goes up if he is only taking 12 hours (4 classes) a week…then it is $104/hr… any kid with a summer job can relate to an hourly rate of $104 and how long it will take them to acquire skills that pay them that much, AFTER taxes, oh by the way…not necessary to jump right in with the math, but, keep it nearby if you need to make a point!!</p>

<p>Hope you see a good movie or read a great book this weekend…you have earned some time to indulge…</p>

<p>Maineparent, LOL. I told my S how much I believe that we are paying per course. He quickly jumped in and told me that I am not paying for classes/credits, but I am paying for him to learn. I quickly corrected him. I let him know that I am paying for him to learn, AND I am paying for his satisfactory progress toward a degree. He knows that if we are not satisfied with the progress toward that goal, then we no longer pay the tuition bill.</p>