<p>Hello!
Due to AP and dual enrollment credits, I will be entering ASU with around 30 credits, give or take. I know that to have sophomore standing at ASU one must have 25+ credits, but what about the "first-time part? The website states that first time freshmen have to live in dorms, so I don’t know if I would be considered “first-time” since I would have just graduated from highschool a few months before. Anyone have any knowledge on this? I really would rather commute to campus from an apartment nearby.</p>
<p>You will be classified as a first time freshman regardless of number of credit hours from AP and dual enrollment. A classification other than first-time freshman is based on having taken college classes after high school graduation. There are procedures for applying for an exemption from this rule. You need to call ASU (Housing Services or an admission counselor?) to find out exactly what is required for an exemption.</p>
<p>Collegebound, You are correct ASU’s website does suggest they require Freshman to dorm, but in reality that’s not the case, many students live at home and commute or simply do not live in the dorms, my own son’s(@UofA) girlfriend lives at home with her Mom in Mesa, so no worries there.</p>
<p>You pointedly corroborate a thread we discussed here a few weeks ago with regard to commuting to ASU, it is a commuter school, although no stats appear to be available, all the dorms fill each year, but they can only house some 8-10K students, this fall around 74,000 matriculated at ASU and as such the majority of students commute including freshman!</p>
<p>Englishman, not sure that you are what your screen name suggests, as your phrasing and tone suggest otherwise. You should know that the English word ‘majority’ means greater than 50%. Assuming you did not mean to mislead, but just not familiar with the language. According to the most recent Common Data Set, 29.2% of ASU freshmen live off campus or commute, as was already pointed out to you in another thread recently. This is across all 4 campuses. Not sure what the %ages are at individual campuses, but guessing it may be lower at Tempe and higher at the other 3. In case you would like a suggestion for a more correct phrasing, ‘almost a third’ comes to mind.</p>
<p>Also, dorm capacity is not a good indicator of living arrangements of upperclassmen, who don’t often live in dorms at MOST campuses in the US, except for the few, like Vandy, that require all 4 years in dorms. Some students live with parents, while others live with other students in apartments and other housing near campus. If you are convinced that almost all ASU students live at home with parents and not any in apartments near campus, I think you ought to offer some data to back up your assertion, not just continue repeating it.</p>
<p>Not sure where the 8-10K number you use comes from. Is that supposed to be for Tempe only? If so, then you should restrict your other numbers also to Tempe only to reduce confusion. That 73K is for all 4 campuses and includes grad students as well.</p>
<p>In any case, the CDS says that 11,700 (19.7%) of undergrads live in campus owned housing across the 4 campuses. That is not hugely greater than 8-10K, but lets try to get our numbers right anyway, just for the sake of correctness.</p>
<p>OP, sorry to hijack your thread there.</p>
<p>Here is a link to the housing exemption info. Looks like it is easier for freshmen to get permission to live with parents than in an apt. on their own:
<a href=“https://housing.asu.edu/content/housing-exception[/url]”>https://housing.asu.edu/content/housing-exception</a></p>
<p>celesteroberts, To clarify, I did not mean to suggest the majority of freshman commute, that’s not the case and not what I wanted to confer, but rather that overall, of the student population (74K) the majority of students at ASU do commute to ASU either from parents home or homes/apartments within the Phoenix Metro. Yes a majority meaning more than 50%, Thank you!
I have homes both in Tempe and Chandler about 20 minutes away and many many students commute much further to attend ASU. </p>
<p>I’m not sure what the definition of a commuter school is, but like at the University of Utah (UofU) a commuter school by generally recognized parameters, ASU does not accomodate the majority of students in dorms, no shame, most folks in Arizona consider it a Commuter School.</p>
<p>ASU simply cannot accomodate 74,000 students on campus and thus the majority (74k-12K (indorms) = 60K+ “Commute” If I inadvertantly misled anyone, sorry but I did only mean that the majority of students at ASU commute not the majority of freshman, to make clear.</p>
<p>Sorry Op you thread has been overtaken, but I hope you got answers to your Q?</p>
<p>Englishman: I agree that perhaps your English is more “British” than American. It is true that a by a strict definition of “commuter” , a majority of undergraduates living off-campus would qualify to give the school this attribute. However, this is not the general connotation of the word commuter. Generally “commuter” school refers to schools with a lack of involvement or availability or interest in on-campus activities. This may be more typical of students who live at home and never really get invested in the school but does NOT necessarily apply to students who live near campus in apartments as upper-classmen. By your definition, these state schools would all be commuter schools (data from the Common Data Sets):</p>
<p>School | %Undergrads in University Housing | %Undergrads living off-campus</p>
<p>Arizona State University | 20 | 80
University of California-Berkeley | 26 | 74
University of Texas - Austin | 19 | 81
University of Michigan | 34 | 66
University of Wisconsin | 25 | 75
University of Oklahoma | 33 | 67
The Ohio State University | 26 | 74</p>
<p>and your adored UofArizona | 21 | 79 (yet somehow you have never mentioned that it is a commuter school)</p>
<p>I have never heard anyone else refer to these universities as commuter schools but you continue to insist that ASU is. Not only is your definition of “commuter school” different than other people, you don’t even apply it consistently.</p>
<p>I’m pretty sure most freshman live in a dorm at both UA and ASU, then get a apartment or something else after freshman year.</p>
<p>matt0715 - I Agree.
STEMfamily - Perhaps we need to understand the common definition of ‘Commuter School’ -</p>
<p>[What’s</a> a Commuter school? - Yahoo Answers NZ](<a href=“Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos”>Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos)
[What</a> is a commuter school? - Yahoo Answers](<a href=“Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos”>Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos)
[10</a> Universities With the Most Freshman Commuters - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/the-short-list-college/articles/2012/06/12/10-universities-with-the-most-freshman-commuters]10”>http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/the-short-list-college/articles/2012/06/12/10-universities-with-the-most-freshman-commuters)</p>
<p>It does seem that the commonly recognized definition refers to students living off-campus and NOT those Colleges and Universities which do not have on campus activities and I would not suggest ASU has no on-campus activities, but bear in mind Barrett is different from the rest of ASU with regard to campus engagement.</p>
<p>I’m not familiar with some of the schools you listed, other than Cal and UofM, but UofU is the one frequently suggested in Arizona as having the similar type of environment as ASU.</p>
<p>Whats interesting I think is the US News & World Report, they seem to agree with my understanding of what a Commuter School is, both the other definitions sought suggest the same, I think from that, I would conclude that my inferred definition of a Commuter School is the correct one and rather your offered definition of a school with little or no on-campus engagement is not really a definition widely recognized, am I wrong?</p>
<p>Perhaps we come at this from different perspectives; I from an In-State (Arizona) one and you from an Out-of-State parent on an ASU freshman.</p>
<p>Englishman: Yes some of those yahoo comments do quote your simple definition but many also specifically mention the lack of activities on campus as the reason why they didn’t like the school and the examples mentioned are very different types of schools than ASU.</p>
<p>And once again, the USNews statistics are for FRESHMAN and most ASU freshman DO live on-campus as has been pointed out to you several times and yet you keep implying otherwise.</p>
<p>And this is not meant as a criticism of either school, but I find it amusing that people would think a school in a smallish town in the middle of Mormon country (that refuses to even report % of students on/off campus) would have a similar atmosphere to a school in a major metropolitan area that often gets mentioned (rightly or wrongly) as being a party school.</p>
<p>And at least now we know that your definition of commuter school does in fact include all those schools listed in post #8 so people can make their own judgement of whether they agree or not.</p>