" I’ll not sure how the model’s size relates to unhealthy decisions when she looks healthier than many “normal” models. BUT reading negative views about Tiegs’ appearance is depressing. One can disagree with her views without referencing her looks, or even making any personal remarks."
Amen. I dislike the double standard - we are supposed to find being overweight beautiful because how judgmental and shallow to judge someone’s worth by their appearance and beauty comes in a variety of styles. Except when it’s someone who disagrees in which case - ew, look how ugly she is!
I disagree that a healthy body comes in all shapes and sizes, though. I’m not talking about having to conform to one narrow aesthetic or looking like a SI model. But let’s also not pretend that being overweight doesn’t carry negative health consequences in general.
Your body lets you know when you’ve gone too far in either direction, but it’s not always obvious to others. My dad was so skinny he couldn’t get into the Army back in the day, but he was just a natural beanpole. I’m not going to call the girl on the cover unhealthy unless I can look at her medical records.
There are some people where it’s immediately obvious that there’s something wrong on either end of the weight spectrum, but I don’t think any of the SI models qualify-like another poster mentioned they’re mostly “roundy”.
Agree with greenwitch. Her weight is mostly below the waist; her waist/hip ratio is healthy. There is no reason to assert she’s unhealthy. Many people with that build have normal to low BP, blood sugar, etc.
It’s the level of health, not the weight, that matters.
I’m not talking about the SI model specifically. I’m talking in general. A lot of overweight people like to live in denial. A healthy body can come in many shapes and sizes - I will never have skinny little arms or calves, that’s not how I’m built, I’m a muscular build and I won’t be gracing SI covers anytime soon. But that doesn’t mean I can just shoot up to 180 pounds and not have health consequences. (I’m 5’4)
“A lot of overweight people like to live in denial.”
Oh, that’s such a loaded statement. I’m not overweight (inherited my dad’s beanpole tendencies), but I think it’s really insulting to say that people don’t recognize when they’re not at a healthy weight. I think they know it, but making lifestyle changes to get to a healthy weight is really challenging.
What health consequences do you think you’d have, PG? I’m in the range you’re talking about. I eat extremely healthfully, and get a lot of exercise. But that’s where i am. I’m totally pear-shaped, and we collect and hold onto weight like our lives depended on it, unfortunately. I also have medium to low blood pressure, no hint of diabetes, ridiculously good cholesterol, etc. etc. I’d like to lose the weight for aesthetic reasons (easier to find clothes, etc.), but it does not make me unhealthy.
My comments on Tieg’s appearance have nothing to do with whether I agree or disagree with her. I was just surprised to see her photograph because she did something to her face that looks very unnatural.
The whole thread is about commenting on people’s looks. Tiegs is a public figure who made her career on her looks. The topic of: “Does plastic surgery enhance or detract from one’s look as one ages?” is a worthy topic, and one that is as relevant to many of us as anything else on this thread.
I, for one, would be interested in other’s views as to how Cheryl Tiegs looks in the video? Anyone know what procedure causes that totally unnatural look? Does anyone think she looks great?
Just because some posters don’t care to discuss her looks doesn’t mean the rest of us can’t do so.
I have no idea how much Ashley Graham weighs (and I don’t care), but if she really is 5’9" and weighs 165 she hardly overweight in health terms. That’s a BMI in the normal range (albeit at the high end of normal).
But I put about as much credence in press releases about one’s weight as in press releases about whether one’s photograph has been photoshopped or not, and thus who know what she actually weighs or what her measurements actually are.
But you can tell just by looking at her pictures that she’s more or less in the normal, not overweight-from-a-health-perspective, zone (ie she’s not obese).
No one is saying overweight people are healthy role models. No one is saying there are no unhealthy consequences to being overweight. However, there is a leap between a model weighing 165 at 5’9" and the health consequences of obesity. Heaven forbid, if there is a model that wears a double digit size - that’s promoting unhealthy style? Ha, as if showing thousands of girls photoshopped to take even more inches off their thighs, arms and cheeks doesn’t have unhealthy consequences. I haven’t a clue how overweight or obese people see themselves - I’m not in the habit of asking “so do you think you’re overweight or are you just in denial?”
Looking at the SI model (because that is the topic), she looks healthy. Would I want to be a size 16? No, but maybe I would like to see women as they truly are instead of an idealized version. I’m always amazed when I see magazine covers from the 1970s and 1980s - the models actually do have flaws, little lumps, and a little sag; they have wrist bones, blood vessels, even spots. They aren’t perfect. Their clothes can be wrinkled (if not their faces). So, if having a plus-sized model gets society back to accepting flaws, I’m all for it.
(I’m on the thin side. 5’7", 120 lbs. I think I have that bean-pole tendency)
“No one is saying there are no unhealthy consequences to being overweight. However, there is a leap between a model weighing 165 at 5’9” and the health consequences of obesity. Heaven forbid, if there is a model that wears a double digit size - that’s promoting unhealthy style? "
That’s why I explicitly said I wasn’t talking about this lady specifically.
My guess is that she would have been a stunning 70 year old without the latest round of surgery. She looked pretty great a few years ago. I don’t get the sensitivity about comments on a model’s looks.
If it’s any consolation, I have the same reaction to overdone plastic surgery on men.
I think Ashley is beautiful but something doesn’t add up. Most articles say she wears a size 16, but her stats are listed as 38-30-46, 165 lbs, 5 9". That is not a size 16 by any stretch.
Being someone of similar height, I totally buy being a size 16 for that weight and measurements, although I’m sure many styles don’t work on her due to her booty. And my guess is MANY men find her shape and her booty quite attractive.
“As for Cheryl Tiegs’ appearance - the woman is closing in on 70. At what age, do women get a pass on their “looks”.”
When they stop criticizing others’ in a sad attempt to stay relevant?
I’m in the range you’re talking about. I eat extremely healthfully, and get a lot of exercise. But that’s where i am. I’m totally pear-shaped, and we collect and hold onto weight like our lives depended on it, unfortunately. I also have medium to low blood pressure, no hint of diabetes, ridiculously good cholesterol, etc. etc. I’d like to lose the weight for aesthetic reasons (easier to find clothes, etc.), but it does not make me unhealthy.>>>
I think there can be a lot of healthy, attractive bodies. In a lot of shapes. There’s no need to elevate any one body type over the others. That still does not change the fact that meaningful excess weight isn’t healthful.
My Athleta and Title Nine swimwear catalogs arrived in the mail last week. Take a look at yours if you got one. Real swimwear for real people with a variety of healthy bodies underneath the advertised clothes.
Someone mentioned ESPN magazine bodies issues. I have not seen much beyond what is available on the web, but have to say that the photos of Venus Williams that have been released on the web and her interview detailing her health struggles (not weight!) are amazing:
