<p>Poetgrl, I wasn’t seeing anyone who thought that was the only thing worth discussing, but perhaps I missed something?</p>
<p>as a society I hope we are all moving forward in our awareness…which we have seen right on this thread. </p>
<p>I hope we are nearing that tipping point where women as a matter of course refuse to accept colleges poo poohing their reports of rape. As Mini pointed out, where women report the crimes to law enforcement. I hope as we see criminals held accountable more women are comfortable reporting these crimes.</p>
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<p>I don’t know, but I certainly agree it’s a very good question to be asking.</p>
<p>If it’s 10% before college, and 5% while at Amherst or Williams, perhaps they are safer there than in their high school communities?</p>
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<p>A woman is at higher risk for rape on a college campus than she is in the general population. What that means is that the percentage of women being raped on college campuses is higher than it is for the women who are the same age who do not go to college campuses.</p>
<p>This tells us something.</p>
<p>Why would we accept college campuses as unsafe neighborhoods for our daughters? </p>
<p>The best choice you could make for your daughter, if all you are concerned with is HER avoiding a rape, is to keep her at home and not send her to school. Is this okay with us?</p>
<p>ETA: electronblue it is one if five, or four, depending on which statistics you read.</p>
<p>by raising our own awareness, and placing the focus on the criminal behavior, we can influence others to hold organizations accountable, like the colleges our own kids are attending. </p>
<p>when you read that the victim here received death threats we should all be horrified, bc those threats were fueled by rape culture and victim blaming. many are enraged that the court found the criminals guilty and they will be dealing with consequences of their criminal behavior. let’s be part of the solution by correcting that culture where we can.</p>
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I had no idea about the rapist suing for custody/visitation. How doubly, triply abusive. Thank you for posting the link to the petition, greenwitch. I signed it immediately.</p>
<p>I think it’s great people get involved and take action on big issues. I get overwhelmed easily, so I stick to stuff that may be smaller but that I feel like I have an idea how to or could manage to tackle. I’m glad there are people who feel able to wrestle bigger stuff!</p>
<p>And thank you all for the informative links.</p>
<p>Yes. As I see it we all need to do many things simultaneously. Raise aware, responsible young people who will intervene as needed and take steps to minimize their risks of being victims of any criminal attack. Teach them to report and encourage others to report crimes to official law enforcement first. Help with local, national and global legislation and reform of our laws so that people all have right to all forms of birth control at all times, but especially after a sexual assault, help get people in authority better educated about sexual assault and steps that can be taken to reduce it as well as mandatory reporting and I’m sure I’m missing more.</p>
<p>Each of us doing what we can will help. Ranting and attacking one another is counter productive. This is a huge issue and will need to be addressed at many levels but doing what we can is better than stumbling in the dark cursing the blackness, IMHO.</p>
<p>The ACHA survey results at Williams showed 4.4 percent of females and 0.3 percent of males experienced sexual penetration without consent. I assume that’s how we are defining rape in this discussion.</p>
<p>“If it’s 10% before college, and 5% while at Amherst or Williams, perhaps they are safer there than in their high school communities?”</p>
<p>It’s actually MUCH higher at Amherst and Williams. The 5% is for just one year. (And this is just for rapes; it doesn’t include sexual assaults.) Both colleges have statistically significantly higher rates than other NESCAC colleges, but I imagine there are other campuses where rates are just as high.</p>
<p>Electronblue - that’s how the state of Massachusetts defines rape. To be precise, the definition of rape has three elements:</p>
<pre><code>Penetration of ANY orifice by ANY object,
Force or threat of force, or
Sexual contact against the will of the victim.
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<p>As the Amherst report points out, there are schools with many thousands more students who report zero sexual assaults so reporting is an issue.
The math isn’t 5% x 4=20% of students being raped during their time on campus though, as some students are repeatedly victimized. It is of course, way too high.</p>
<p>No, it probably isn’t 20% (though some general data about colleges suggests that it is). The actual reporting on the Amherst campus is almost zero as well; the data come from surveys as opposed to reports. </p>
<p>There were lots of intriguing elements in the Amherst report (that critique I linked earlier talks about some of them.) One really odd one is the faculty didn;t want to talk about who the rapists actually are, despite seemingly having some information about same. It was a strange discussion.</p>
<p>Also “interesting” is that none of the recommendations concerned encouraging increased reporting - to anyone!</p>
<p>As many don’t report to official govt agencies and surveys of students are voluntary, stats must be viewed with some scepticism. </p>
<p>Very disturbing to ponder that these predators are on campus and likely serially offend but where better to be as we saw with Sandusky? To this day, I think there’s a lot of confusion in parts of WV and many other places as to why the actions in question were criminal and amounted to rape, focusing in confusion nearly on the social media aspect. If the person being hauled around had been male and similar things done to him, not sure if there would still be that confusion. </p>
<p>It is troubling on so many levels that the Ds in this case don’t seem recognize that their actions were wrong. That haunts me. Wonder how they would feel if it had been their loved one or family member or GF that they treated like this victim. Who knows? Perhaps they do?</p>
<p><a href=“https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/221153.pdf[/url]”>https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/221153.pdf</a></p>
<p>This is a study from 2007. You can read it if you want. 28% of women in this study report being a victim of an attempted sexual assault on campus. 16% report having experienced a completed sexual assault. (whatever THAT means.) </p>
<p>Obviously, as all studies, it studies the victims and not the perpetrators.</p>
<p>Time to study the criminals. Time to stop saying, Well, it’s okay for nearly 30% of our daughters to experience an attempted rape, and time to say, what is wrong with this picture.</p>
<p>This percentage is worse than the worst neighborhood you would not let your daughter walk around alone in at night. </p>
<p>Is this okay with us?</p>
<p>[Wishing</a> rape on campus away won?t make it so](<a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/wp/2013/03/06/wishing-rape-on-campus-away-wont-make-it-so/]Wishing”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/wp/2013/03/06/wishing-rape-on-campus-away-wont-make-it-so/)</p>
<p>from the article:</p>
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<p>Read the rest. it talks about UNC, Notre Dame, various other universities, as well.</p>
<p>“As many don’t report to official govt agencies and surveys of students are voluntary, stats must be viewed with some scepticism.”</p>
<p>Scientific survey methodology is very advanced these days. There has been more than 35 years of work in this area. In addition, since the particular survey in question was administered on more than a dozen campuses, chances of statistical variation resulting from “improper responses” is extremely, extremely low. On the contrary, they should not be viewed with some skepticism.</p>
<p>Let’s put it another way: the Presidents of both Amherst and Williams are serious scholars in the social sciences. They not only believe the data is true; they are acting upon it.</p>
<p>I wonder if the women answering yes to being penetrated without their consent view themselves as having been raped. We saw a poster in this thread come to terms with her own history. Why do so many women stay silent? Are they blaming themselves? Do they buy into men being entitled to sex because that’s just how it works? I know not everyone agrees but I see alcohol and hookup culture as a big problem related to this.</p>
<p>from the article linked above:</p>
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<p><a href=“http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/pdf/e03021472.pdf[/url]”>http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/pdf/e03021472.pdf</a></p>
<p>this is the 2010 guide from the department of justice based on doj research into campus acquaintance rape.</p>
<p>You can read it if you want.</p>
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