Yes we know. Just like the DC program she just did - while offered through her school but technically through U of SC Honors.
We understand the issues.
Thank you.
Kid can go to Asia anytime. Best case- on an employers dime. I think you’re trying to introduce too many variables onto the problem. If she has to tell the BF “sorry, my academic needs come first” then that shows the kind of maturity you’re hoping she’s been developing in college.
And a quick caveat- it’s not enough to have the “home department” bless the courses. It is entirely up to a professor and the Department chair-- even if the course looks like a reasonable substitute from the syllabus- as to whether they grant credit. I know kids who have had to submit every paper, exam, research notes, etc. before getting credit from an overseas university. And the old “my professor in France says it will take too long to mail the exams” no longer works. PDF works everywhere…
Kids need to be very well organized upfront- every reading list, field work, appendix has to be in order.
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Yes - the advisor is the Head of the department. He is who we petition to.
No issues with process. Not what I’m seeking. Now I see why so many chance me kids get mad when we introduce other items 
My two work trips to Asia are why I never want to go back
I’d love for her to be in China and practice what she learned - like I still practice my Spanish when I can. I go to Puerto Rico for work.
Process wise we understand. And we already did for the DC semester.
But I’m not seeking guidance on what to do - just the campuses mentioned.
If I’m going to. For example, spend stupid money on NYU, I want to ensure if possible people have had good experiences. B4 she even goes down the road of petitioning etc.
Now my wife is hopeful for the Japanese Art trip - that it goes. My daughter has to do a 300 level humanities and most are literature which she doesn’t love - so it may be the better of two evils. I guess b4 today they never considered it.
But if the other Asia trip didn’t go last year and doesn’t this, I’d assume the same.
Last year the Profs offered to do sans pay and they still says no - the school.
She’s had one trip so far - paid for by school as part of her program. It was a Maymester - supposed to be to the Republic of Georgia but Ukraine nixed that - it was Vieques after first year to study bioluminescence. She learned a lot actually so that was very good. And has great memories.
I’m just amazed that so many schools cancel trips. They don’t tell you that when applying - they just say - tons of study abroad opps (which is true).
Thanks
Ok I am still confused (sorry).
Is there a summer program offered by her school that will fulfill her graduation requirements?
I would do that and let her travel to Asia once she graduates…just my opinion.
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They offer but last year got cancelled and this year likely will. They need ten. Only six have signed up and not all have paid the deposit.
It’s the same at many schools. I likely checked 100 last year and am seeing it again this year with the faculty led.
The Europe ones oversell. Asia cancel. Some are fascinating - I wish I could go.
NYU and Temple have actual campuses in Asia. Utah too but no simmer. . And there are many foreign campuses you can attend via the affiliate programs - UCAS, CIEE, and more.
Most the schools are very similar in what they offer outside the faculty led trips. They all use the affiliates.
So it’s likely my daughter will end up in one. But we’ll have to find one with the right classes and then get them pre approved. Most offer classes not even close to a match.
Now that my wife said the 2nd Asia trip likely works (via the school), we can see how sign ups are. Maybe we’ll get lucky.
Can she travel to Europe this summer and fill her requirements?
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Yes. It’s certainly an option she’ll pursue. She needs another year of language - a new language as she’s had a year off Chinese.
So an immersion covering the full year is a likely outcome, just not one I hope for personally.
There will be no issue making something happen.
Just trying to fulfill the original goal she had by studying Chinese all these years.
Ok…so she will graduate on time if she goes someplace other than Asia?
Easy answer to this one. Check the course catalogue at a mid-tier LAC-- pick a department which has few kids majoring in it, but is popular for non-majors. Let’s go with Classics for the sake of argument.
SO MANY COURSES to choose from! Wow.
But then you dig deep trying to understand how a department with a small group of faculty can offer so many courses. Well, the “Art and Architecture of the Ancient World” is taught by someone from the Art History Department, except when that professor is on parental leave. The “Origins of Democracy in Greco-Roman society” is team taught by someone from Classics and someone from Poli Sci- but only every other year or so. The very popular course “Comedy and Tragedy” is taught by a rotating cast of visiting professors (it’s a lay-up in academic terms so a wide range of academics can effectively teach it well) except sometimes they’re only visiting for Spring semester when freshmen need it for their first semester humanities/literature core requirement.
Etc. Professor is on book leave. Professor is on a dig in Turkey. The grad student who taught Latin 3 graduated and the adjuncts who were hired to cover ancient languages are all specialists in Greek, Sumerian, Aramaic and Akkadian.
This is the “study abroad” model. Lots and lots of courses. They need a critical mass of students ready to put down a deposit; they need a host institution with the resources to run the program; they need faculty to teach these specific courses to a wide range of students, some of whom have the right pre-requisites and some of whom do not so the curriculum needs to be modified based on the student population. I know a kid who studied in Moscow- actually took a Tolstoy seminar taught in English (which sounds crazy to me, you can do that at 100 colleges in the US) because most of the kids in the program had conversational Russian but not at a high enough level to be discussing and writing essays in Russian on Tolstoy. Miracle the program could scramble and sub-in a professor who could teach the course in English!
Yep - the location doesn’t matter.
Interestingly, I’ve run through all the possibilities with my wife (who handles this, while I just waste away on the cc :))
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Dropping down to one major - she won’t
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Attending the first semester fifth year - she wants to graduate on time.
I think with both majors and only getting credit for 3 of her 9 or 10 APs (many counted double) and WD’ing from a class first year - and replacing it by taking a lower level but two classes, has slowed down the progress. Plus there are Honors requirements that add a bit and next year, in addition to class, is the full year Bachelor Essay.
She’s done some summer classes - mainly she did the two required science - one at a community college and one at UTK. Geology.
But the plan is to meet all requirements and graduate. And my wife assures me it’s not an issue.
Oh, and find housing for next year - never easy. As she was gone first semester, she’s got a sublet this semester - from a girl who is overseas studying right now. And she loves the house and the two girls she’s living with but alas, the girl abroad comes back so we are out on June 1st - and the three girls will live together next year. But the good news is we only have to pay rent five months; the other girl is paying seven.
But finding housing - never easy, especially after October…then it’s like…which random, I don’t know people, will have an opening…and my daughter loves the “house” life more than the apartment life. She’s been in a house in DC and now Charleston vs. an apartment last year.
It’s always difficult…but honestly, my daughter, in concert with my wife, do all they heavy lifting. I’m not heavily involved in much in that regard. And they do get it done!!
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It sounds like she can fulfill this study abroad by going anywhere. If that is the case, then it opens up a lot more options, and might enable her to vacation with her BF.
Yes - i’m about to open the new one so those who can add to it - with direct experience - can do so there.
There’s no risk in not going - it’s going to happen one way or another - and the bf is secondary.
First, get a job!!!
Took me a while to catch up on the thread.
Sorry, my kids never did any study abroad (one tried, but covid killed her plans).
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Just to update everyone - we have a winner. It’s really tough to find summer programs that aren’t through an actual foreign university and that aren’t to Europe. Most, it seems, regardless of the college, get cancelled due to lack of participation.
My daughter will be attending a 4 week program in Korea via a midwestern flagship university. One class is offered by this school and the other by the partnering Korean university - which is a neat set up (I think). And it gets the 6 credits needed. And hopefully allows time for tourism, etc.
The C of C trip was cancelled - again. And it turns out this one would have been too but lucky for them, they found my daughter. They had 11 sign ups and needed ten. But when it came time to pay the $500 commitment, only 9 paid - plus us. So they needed us as much as we needed them. So it’ll be odd for her being the only non-student but she had that in DC too where all but two were U of SC students (the home university for the DC program she attended).
So it seems we’re on a good path.
So the pros to me - four weeks is better than 20 days (the C of C trip) and I like she’ll be taking a class at a university with hopefully a global participation.
The cons to my daughter - the timing. She finishes the spring semester early May but her boyfriend graduates in mid June and she wanted her studies to be before then (beginning of the summer). However, the program is in July - so she’ll be without him for another month - and when gets back, has a few days and is right back to school.
The other con - she wants to travel (Thailand, etc.) - and I don’t like the idea of my little girl being alone no matter how safe it may be. So either a parent goes or hopefully she can connect with some girls through the program - and perhaps somehow get to know them over zoom (if they have pre meetings) and maybe link up with one or two.
Anyway, it seems like - in the end, it’s all going to work out - is the message.
That got me thinking about grad school. Do you have to provide all your transcripts or just the home school that will have all the credits?
Otherwise - it’s a mess - you have the home school (C of C), a community college after first summer, our state flagship after the 2nd summer, U of SC for the DC program, and now the study abroad college plus the Korean college.
I guess, if she even decides to go to grad school, we’d learn in the future.
Anyway, just wanted to close the loop on this one - which was a two summer long journey to finally get it scheduled.
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It’s great place to travel and there are a lot of wonderful hostels. I hope she finds friends to do this travel with.
Not a mess…you just request transcripts from all these places. As an aside, when DH went back to college, he needed his high school transcript from Tokyo as well as two different CC transcripts and one previous four year college. So…he requested them all…and guess which one arrived first! The one from Tokyo (which was also over 11 years prior to applying).
Glad she found a program. It sounds terrific and I’m sure will be!
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Glad things worked out and great job finding this alernate program!
FWIW both of my kids (in two very different areas of study) were required to provide all college transcripts when applying to grad schools. It was no issue - and just a minimal extra cost for sending the additional transcript. (Note that this is a sample of two but I expect it is standard practice.)
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College kids travel to unique places all the time. Hopefully she will find friends to travel with.
And, FWIW, IMO plans should be made about what’s best for her, not time with BF. My younger s had a long distance relationship with his now wife for many, many years. It worked out fine, but school and work were always their priorities.
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Great news and thanks for circling back with an update.
For what it’s worth, my D was on a summer program in Kenya with kids from many schools. Several of them connected online and coordinated booking the same flight from JFK to Nairobi. That made kids and parents more comfortable.
Every family needs to make their own assessment, but my D gained so much confidence on her travels abroad by navigating unexpected hiccups. Train cancelled from Brussels back to home base in Amsterdam? She stepped up and found a car service for the group. Six hour flight delay in Prague? Strike up a conversation with another American student at the airport coffee shop that leads to an ongoing friendship. Last minute flight change to New Delhi? Lose your seat choice and end up surrounded by moms and toddlers who can’t speak English, cry, run around and kick the seats for 14 hours… but make the best of it, try to help and end up being “gifted” small items from those grateful passengers.
You never know what stories will come out of those experiences. Since your D will be with a program, she has less to be nervous about once she joins up with the group. In our experience, both the academic and extracurricular time is well-planned and safety a priority. I hope your D has a fantastic time.
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Great news!
My daughter who is currently in grad school had to send all transcripts, and this included college classes that she took in high school (she had “college in the HS” classes from Syracuse etc). I think she had about 5-6 transcripts total. Her study abroad classes were on her college transcript so she did not need a transcript from the study abroad school.
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Same here…but our kid’s study abroad was through the university he attended…no issue. In the case of Tsbna44 daughter, this is from another college.
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