<p>^agree, and would add that Trayvon asking “why you are following me” was in GZ’s mind enough provocation for him to have bumped or jumped Trayvon.</p>
<p>interesting, Demaio, the forensics expert just stated that he would absolutely recommend going to an ER following head injuries even without any outward symptoms. this is what I had thought…</p>
<p>Consolation–has there been testimony at trial that GZ did not have a wallet on him?</p>
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<p>The information in the autopsy/EMS reports inform that TM had no identification on him that night. I forgot to add that to the items in the record that could bias the jurors based on their perceptions. My ex-BIL former policeman told me about 10 years ago that youths without records (i.e., with no fingerprints on file) often are used to scout areas for burglary and auto theft because they can go out without ID and if stopped for merely suspicious behavior will give younger ages and fake names so that the officer is more likely not to look further and will let them go with an admonition and any report will not have their real name.</p>
<p>Is the only evidence of the “why are you following me” statement that of Rachel?</p>
<p>Defense forensic expert says when get punched in nose does not necessarily mean you will bleed immediately. Also don’t where the blood goes immediately depends on body position.</p>
<p>Defense lawyer points out that TM body was out in weather for 3 hrs before transport. Expert says if raining and how hands handled could determine if blood on hands.</p>
<p>“My ex-BIL former policeman told me about 10 years ago that youths without records (i.e., with no fingerprints on file) often are used to scout areas for burglary and auto theft because they can go out without ID and if stopped for merely suspicious behavior will give younger ages and fake names so that the officer is more likely not to look further and will let them go with an admonition and any report will not have their real name.”</p>
<p>Or-they might leave a house THEY BELONG IN to run down to the corner store to buy some junk food! We have a corner store 5 minutes from our house and my 20-something kids run down there all the time, on foot, often without their wallet/purse and just some change in their pockets. No one stops them asking what they are doing there.</p>
<p>Are you really saying that it really IS suspicious that a kid walking in his own neighborhood is up to no good because he didn’t bring his ID with him? Should we start having blacks of all ages start carrying papers again to prove they’re where they belong?</p>
<p>Here are the two Florida statutes that allow police to ask for identity.</p>
<p>Fla. Stat. §901.151 (Stop and Frisk Law); §856.021(2) (loitering and prowling)</p>
<p>Sseamom, kids of all stripes are involved in the illicit activity described by 07Dad.</p>
<p>2 questions for people who have been following the case closely:</p>
<p>TM was in the gated community because he was visiting his father’s girlfriend. </p>
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<li><p>Was the father living in the gated community or was only the girlfriend a member of the gated community?</p></li>
<li><p>Who was TM living with at the time?</p></li>
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<p>“Other potential, bigger-pocket defendants include the apartment complex, the neighborhood watch group, the town of Sanford, and the Sanford PD.”</p>
<p>I think the TM’s family already has a settlement with the HOA.</p>
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<li><p>Father was a trucker, not sure if he was on lease or title to location where TM was staying.</p></li>
<li><p>TM normally lived with his mother but was at father’s girlfriend’s place to serve out his suspension from HS </p></li>
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<p>In Dallas (where I live), the Chief of Police is Black as is the Dallas District Attorney. As of the stats for 2011, white officers comprise 55% of the force. Former Dallas Mayor Ron Kirk (Pres. Obama’s first Trade Representative) is Black. Where does all the slam against police generally come from based on race?</p>
<p>Oh, and the Chief Justice of the Texas Supreme Court is Black.</p>
<p>I wonder if TM was on top of GZ then the gun powder and the blood from the gun shot wound would have been dropped on GZ’s shirt or jacket (I see blood splashed on the shooter’s body all the time in movies, but don’t know about reality here). Did the police collect GZ’s clothes as evidence?</p>
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<p>From what I have read TM’s father was visiting his girlfriend at the gated community but the father actually lived in Miami. The girlfriend had a 14 year old child with her. </p>
<p>TM lived in Miami with his mother but had been suspended from school for misbehavior and his mother told him to live with his father. </p>
<p>TM also had a step mother who claimed to be very close to TM. I don’t know where she lives.</p>
<p>defense calling witness who is neighbor of Zimmerman who testifying that weather was “very rainy” when she got to neighborhood at same time as cops got there.</p>
<p>She is also testifying where GZ’s truck was located.</p>
<p>It doesn’t matter if Trayvon’s father was on the lease or not. He was visiting there, his son was with him, and it shouldn’t be “suspicious” to take a walk to the store where you’re visiting. My H had the right to walk around our first neighborhood, where he was the only black person without getting stopped and asked why he is there. A friend of ours grew up in a once predominantly black area, moved away, then back in with her mother when the mother grew older and ill. She was also regularly stopped by the “new” white residents and asked why she was there.</p>
<p>What some of you don’t get is that I see both sides of this as my white older kids and nieces and nephews, BILs, SILs, etc. can walk wherever they want, with or without their wallets or purses. That is not the case for blacks, especially males. They are viewed with suspicion for merely BEING.</p>
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<p>In this thread? I haven’t noticed it. GZ, on the other hand, clearly proceeded on the basis that WWB was deeply suspicious.</p>
<p>When my kid was 17, he didn’t have any id. He didn’t carry a wallet. When he went to a store he would just have money in his pocket. And he wore hoodies. Good thing we don’t have vigilante idiots in our neighborhood. For that matter, when <em>I</em> walk to the convenience store that is about a mile away, I often just take money in my pocket. </p>
<p>07DAD, I don’t have access to the trial. Someone who evidently does stated above that GZ said he got in his car to go to Target, but that he didn’t have a wallet or money. Is that incorrect?</p>
<p>I had heard that. Can’t remember where. Trying to find a source. </p>
<p>Either way, I think most of us would agree that going to Target with a loaded gun seems a little excessive.</p>
<p>sseamom, it’s the same thing that happens in upscale neighborhoods when a car gets pulled over for no apparent reason. More often than not it seems to be the black maid driving to her first house of the day or the Hispanic man on his way to a roofing job.</p>
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<p>This scenario doesn’t deal with the issue of where the body was found. I can understand a few feet difference because of the wrestling around. However it doesn’t come close to addressing how the witnesses saw the fight where TM’s body was found, which was 30-40 ft away from the concrete walkway. </p>
<p>It also doesn’t match any normal human response. For anyone to say, when challenged, It’s none of your business, the immediately punch the guy, just doesn’t ring true. What rings more true is GZ challenges TM, TM responds (probably in a rude tone of voice) and then GZ responds either verbally or physically such that a fight ensues. We will never know who made the first physical contact. </p>
<p>At some point TM hit GZ such that Z’s head hit the concrete. It could have been just a push. It was raining so one or both could have slipped on the wet grass. I speculate that once Z hit the ground TM backed up to the spot where the final fight occurred. It would have been TM who moved away, not GZ, since if Z had moved away he would have moved toward his car. </p>
<p>By the way, geeps, you said that those of us who think GZ bears responsibility don’t want to consider evidence. With all due respect, we have been dealing with evidence on a very granular level and frankly it offends me that you seem to think we don’t care about evidence. We may weight evidence differently from you - and perhaps differently from how the jurors will - but it’s uncalled for to make a general statement to the effect that we’re just agenda driven emoticons.</p>
<p>I’m just reading some of this lady Heloise testimony. In general I’d say she seems honest (from what I can tell from reading). I’m thinking some of her fact testimony is interesting, but I wish they wouldn’t ask her about the voice recognition. Haven’t they run that into the ground? </p>
<p>It’s pretty obvious she’s friendly with the Zimmerman’s. I have my suspicions the defense thinks it will help because she’s an African-American lady. shhesh.</p>
<p>I’ve sort of moved back to the middle ground from leaning manslaughter. I guess it will come down to arguments and law for me. I heard yesterday that the defense will likely challenge the addition of the MS charge (from Alan Dershowitz). Not sure that’s true.</p>
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<p>Can I ask where those who actually know this still happens live?</p>
<p>Minority children are now the majority in the following ten states: California, Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Mississippi, and Maryland.</p>
<p>The present majority-minority states are California, New Mexico, Texas and Hawaii. NY and Florida are less than 60% non-Hispanic white.</p>
<p>“Can I ask where those who actually know this still happens live?”</p>
<p>Last year it happened to Connecticut State Treasurer Denise Nappier. She was dropping a co-worker off at home and was pulled over for being “suspicious.” She had ID, showing she was State Treasurer. The cops dismissed the ID as fake. “If you were really State Treasurer you’d be driving a car with State plates.” (She was driving her personal car.)</p>
<p>It is not about the overall population, O7DAD, it’s about people seeming “out of place” or “suspicious” in particular neighborhoods that do not have significant minority populations and/or have minorities driving something other than fancy cars.</p>
<p>But to answer your question: North Shore of Chicago, Milwaukee suburbs, Westchester County, NY, to name a few I am personally familiar with.</p>