<p>I live in a borough of NYC and travel by express bus. A couple of weeks ago I was on the line waiting for my bus and another bus pulled into the stop. The other bus goes to a neighborhood that is pretty much exclusively white and ethnic. A black woman got onto the bus and I idly wondered if she knew where that particular bus was going (sometimes people get on the express bus when they mean to get on the local bus) beause it was so surprising to me that a black woman would want to go there. OF course, I didn’t profile her, shoot her, call the police, but that area is so segregated that I absolutely did notice.</p>
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Denise Nappier was driving a state vehicle whose paper work was 3 months out of date. She was not stopped in an upscale area. Is this the same story?</p>
<p>[State</a> Treasure issues statement after arrest, state car seizure - WFSB 3 Connecticut](<a href=“http://www.wfsb.com/story/15433213/state-treasure]State”>http://www.wfsb.com/story/15433213/state-treasure)
[The</a> problem with Denise Nappier’s side of the story - Hartford Conservative | Examiner.com](<a href=“http://www.examiner.com/article/the-problem-with-denise-nappier-s-side-of-the-story]The”>http://www.examiner.com/article/the-problem-with-denise-nappier-s-side-of-the-story)</p>
<p>The defense is trying to have admitted an animation to show the jury how the incident occurred under the defense view. If it is admitted, the jury won’t have to picture how things happened, they will be able to see what happened. I am not sure that is appropriate, but it will be interesting to see what the judge decides.</p>
<p>You don’t have to have money to go to a store. Maybe GZ just wanted to go to Target to check out the latest flat screen TVs with no intent to buy one.</p>
<p>I am curious too, razorsharp. If I were the judge I wouldn’t admit it. The guy has not done this kind of scenario before, the “stand-ins” for GZ and TM are of indeterminate size (maybe comparable, but not exactly the same), and it seems incredibly prejudicial–it is not evidence, but the jury could be swayed by the perception that it is “high-tech” and “official,” and of course the prosecution can’t rebut it. (I wouldn’t want the prosecution using this trick either, BTW.)</p>
<p>riprorin, he had stated that he was going to get groceries.</p>
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<p>She apparently chose to walk home, rather than seeking a ride. Apparently the amateur “journalist” at the Examiner finds this suspicious. Maybe she was walking off her anger.</p>
<p>re: Denise Nappier</p>
<p>The paperwork was fine … “fully up-to-date and proper.” Now, why was she stopped again? (And please don’t say “expired registration sticker” because CT no longer issues registration stickers). In an interesting parallel to the current GZ/TM discussion, the Examiner OpEd was quick to claim “it was all Nappier’s fault.” (Read the article.)</p>
<p>“Last Thursday, Nappier’s car was seized because police said her Crown Victoria’s paperwork had expired almost three months prior. On Saturday, Nappier said the car’s registration was valid. “Upon review, the Department of Motor Vehicles has now acknowledged that the vehicle registration, while fully up-to-date and proper, was never properly entered into the system to which the police had access,” Nappier said.”</p>
<p>Okay, when a black teenager goes to the store without an ID and wallet it is evidence that he is casing the neighborhood for a criminal gang. If GZ “goes to the store” with no money but a loaded handgun he is most likely just checking out the flat screen TVs. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Presumably if TM had looked at the flat screen TVs, his intention would have been to steal one?</p>
<p>You’re right, NewHope. I recently went into a panic when I noticed that my mother’s car had stickers that were over a year old. I checked into it, and they don’t use them anymore. So why did they run her plate? Why did they stop her? Suspicious for a black woman to be driving an upscale car in that neighborhood?</p>
<p>There is no way they should allow an animation to be introduced. Far too prejudicial.</p>
<p>Sally, maybe he forgot his wallet. It’s happened to me many times.</p>
<p>Why did he say he didn’t have money or a wallet?</p>
<p>Was money or a wallet in his vehicle?</p>
<p>^ I noticed that differential diagnosis as well Consolation.;)</p>
<p>07Dad - I chose the Nappier incident because it was more recent. But here’s EXACTLY what you’re asking for … albeit ten years old:</p>
<p>[Two</a> Years After `The Barkhamsted Express’ - Hartford Courant](<a href=“http://articles.courant.com/1995-08-23/news/9508230127_1_officers-avon-police-department-civilian-police-review-board]Two”>http://articles.courant.com/1995-08-23/news/9508230127_1_officers-avon-police-department-civilian-police-review-board)</p>
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<p>no, that is not what I’ve posted. I posted that many here do not believe it can be self defense because TM was just a kid, GZ had a gun, GZ stalked TM, GZ initiated…or whatever. I’ve posted from the start that just because GZ carried a gun and a 17 year old is dead…that does NOT mean it wasn’t self defense. Some just don’t want to believe that.</p>
<p>I posted this on the previous thread, I live in a gated community in S Florida, almost 15 yrs. Walk my dog 3 x a day, see neighbors every time I’m out walking, we simply smile. one day walking my dog with my black friend, (male almost 60 yrs old, happens to be a journalist who’s worked for WSJ, NPR etc) several neighbors stopped me and asked WHO I WAS? huh? these same neighbors have seen me regularly walking my huge golden retriever. but on this day, they were curious. I said, hi there, wait, you’ve seen me many times, I live at —I’ve seen you, so funny that you never noticed me before ;)</p>
<p>I smiled and nodded. My friend smiled at me as we walked away from these “suddenly friendly” neighbors, we understood their motivation. </p>
<p>same with my kids’ friends, the kids who are black who walk into our community to visit friends, (yep that’s allowed) are often asked, why are you here. (given the possibilities I guess I should be grateful they were only asked a question, not stalked) but not so with the white teens. it’s real people.</p>
<p>Don’t “want” to believe that? No. Have decided based on the evidence that has been made public.</p>
<p>^ well, let’s see what the jury believes</p>
<p>heard that the defense isn’t going to address the issue of trace amount of THC because it would in fact open the door for the prosecution to discuss the medications that GZ takes and their potential effects. gotta give it to the defense,they are sharp attorneys.</p>
<p>Anyone remember testimony at trial that GZ had no wallet that night? Seems if that was the case the prosecution would have introduced evidence of that fact.</p>
<p>One would think so, 07DAD. But to me it would not be necessary to draw the conclusion that GZ is clearly guilty of manslaughter, at least. Ignoring the dispatcher, the obvious lie about the street sign…</p>
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<p>Ok. I guess I don’t understand why someone would live there if that was the attitude of many in this gated community. Was the community more diverse when you first moved there?</p>
<p>Avon, Conn that NewHope33 mentioned is 89% non-Hispanic white. Is your gated community similar in lack of diversity.</p>