Surprising Update From Ex-Sophomore (HYPSM)

At the end of my Sophomore year, I made this post to the Chance Me forum on this site. Having recently rediscovered it, I have decided to provide an update detailing my college admissions results. I hope this information and the insights that may be gleaned therefrom will be of use.

Demographics

Gender: Male

Race/Ethnicity: White

Residence: Domestic, Urban, MA

Income Bracket: Lower-Middle Class

Type of School: Public, Not Competitive

Hooks: FGLI

Intended Majors: Government/Economics

Academics

GPA (UW/W): 4.0/4.6

Rank (or percentile): 1/~550

of Honors/AP/IB/Dual Enrollment/etc.: 8 APs, 3 DEs, Rest Honors

Standardized Testing

SAT: 1540 (780 RW, 760 M)

AP: CSP, 4; Lang, 5; Seminar, 5; Physics, 4.

Extracurricular Activities

#1 Legislative Intern, Massachusetts State House (12th): Bill Research, Hearings, Mock Senate Experience Program, Wrote Newsletter, Research Convinced Rep to Cosponsor an Act That Expands Rights of Undocumented Migrants.

#2 Founding Member, Model UN Club (10th, 11th, 12th): Medaled Every Competition, Achieved Most Medals in Chapter History, Elected for Student Government Experience, Mentored 8+ Junior Delegates; was supposed to be captain as is noted in original post, but advisors decided to adopt a more “egalitarian” structure right after I was elected.

#3 Student Journalist, PSJP (12th): Lectures/Workshops, Conducted Interviews, Published op-ed.

#4 Co-founder, Debate Club (11th, 12th): Organized Meetings, Engaged in/Moderated Debate, Designed Activities, Researched Competitions, Grew to 25+ Active Members, Liaison w/ Advisor & Admin.

#5 Founder & Editor-In-Chief, School Newspaper (11th, 12th): Organizing Monthly Releases, Contributions of Content, Selecting Articles, Arranging Page Layout, Conferring w/ Administration.

#6 Counselor, School Summer Program (10th, 11th): Organized/Designed PBL Projects/Activities for 100+ Primarily High-Needs Students to Prepare Them For High School, Outreach to Isolated Students.

#7 Founder & President, Chess/Boardgames Club (10th, 11th, 12th): Organized Weekly Meetings, Managed Donations, Organized Tournament With 12+ Participants, Chess Tutoring For 15+ Elementary Schoolers.

#8 Member, Student Council (10th): Organized Spirit Activities, Represented Student Body in Discussions of Policy w/Administration, Helped to organize Breast Cancer Awareness Effort; was elected president at end of sophomore year, but advisor got pregnant, and the club stopped existing, so I never got to actually take office.

#9 President, Math Club (10th, 12th): Organized Weekly Meetings, Designed Activities For Meetings, Organized School-Level “24” Tournament, Represented in Discussions w/ Administration; year-long gap because advisor quit due to burnout.

#10 Competitor, SkillsUSA (9th, 10th, 11th, 12th): Competed All 4 Years, Competed In CS Related/Speech Competitions at In-House, District, State Levels.

Awards/Honors

#1 MUN Best Delegate x1, MUN Outstanding Delegate x3, MUN Honorable Mention x2

#2 State House Citation For Participation in Student Government Experience

#3 SkillsUSA: In-House Gold & Districts Gold, State Bronze

#4 NHS Admission & Graduation (275 Hours Community Service Total)

#5 John & Abigail Adams Scholarship

Letters of Recommendation

Sophomore Honors History II Teacher: 8/10. Told me I was the most intelligent student he’d ever had, and was more than happy to write the letter.

Junior AP Physics Teacher: 8/10. He liked me well enough, and I always did well in his class. He also selected me for an award for his class, so there’s that.

Counselor Who Ran School Summer Program: 8/10. She knows me pretty well, and spent a while drafting.

School Counselor: 10/10. I’m actually really close to her due to personal reasons, so the letter was probably really good.

Interviews

Interviewed in a Panera Bread a few towns over. Interviewer was an older guy, one who had been doing alumni interviews for around 20 years on and off. We had a nice conversation (weirdly cerebral), although, strangely, he never asked me a lot of important questions (like Why [College]?). I talked about the clubs I founded, and how I was driven to do so by my desire to create opportunities for my peers/build community. Also, Frankenstein and the Heisenberg Principle, but that’s not important. He did tell me he thought I was thoughtful and articulate. 8.5/10.

Essays

I wrote about how my views on justice have evolved since I was a child, transitioning from a view of justice as purely punitive to an appreciation for restorative justice (equity, community, advocacy). I somehow incorporated Batman into my essay (the campy one with Adam West).

Applied: Harvard, Williams, Brandeis, UMass Amherst

Accepted: Harvard, Williams, UMass Amherst

Wait-listed: Brandeis

I (unsurprisingly) committed to Harvard and am now on campus.

I think things worked out for me because I decided to fully throw myself into Government-related activities (what I wanted to do originally) and started really grinding, allowing me to replace my mediocre stats and activities with much better ones.

Advice:

  • Don’t just do things for college. Instead, just do what you believe to be good or necessary, and the rest will work itself out.
  • Do things you genuinely care about. It’s easier to dedicate a lot of your time to something if you honestly enjoy it.
  • Any level of impact matters. Whether it’s nation-wide, state-wide, county-wide, or even just school-wide, making a difference is always worthwhile.
  • On a more pragmatic note, probably try to get leadership positions/into summer programs/internships.
  • If you struggle with time-management/motivation like me, seeking out structured activities can be really helpful, especially when something more enterprising can seem really daunting at first.
  • Avail yourself of every opportunity at your disposal. It was actually on a Model UN trip that I met the state rep who offered me my internship.
  • You can do great things no matter where you go to college.
  • Finally (I know this is really cliche), but remember to be yourself. As Kurt Cobain (probably never) said, “wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are.”
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Congrats to you on your journey and thanks for the follow up note.

I can only assume your amount of need is why Brandeis didn’t accept you. Did you stay on the WL ? Just curious.

I hope you have a wonderful four years.

One question on admissions as I’d recommend low incomes students to apply to more schools. You had a heavy list.

Did you apply to Harvard REA?

If you hadn’t gotten into Harvard or Williams, would you have been able to afford UMASS?

Just curious and wanting to understand the thought process.

Again, thanks for following up and best of luck on your journey.

Thank you so much for coming back! I think your takeaways are great, and that it is important for people still earlier in their journeys to hear stories like yours.

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Congratulations OP, and thanks for the update. You had me at Adam West. :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:

Have a great four years!

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Feels like CC helped steer the OP away from the UCs which would have been unsuitable financially and toward the east coast privates where being FGLI would be a strength. Great board scores put him over the top. If he’d waited two years for his Chance Me thread, I suspect the replies would have had a somewhat different focus. I don’t agree that he was waitlisted by Brandeis because he wasn’t full-pay; I think it was a classic case of yield protection.

Good hunting, Will.

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Even if Brandeis had admitted highschoolsweat & fully met his financial need, his likelihood of enrolling was almost zero. Students will opt for Harvard or Williams over Brandeis, two prestigious institutions that meet 100% full need for all.

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I understand. But trying to learn from the situation since OP was nice enough to come back and share. So others can benefit.

It’s awesome OP got into two top schools. But what if they didn’t ? It’s why I asked if Harvard was REA. Could they have afforded UMASS?

The Brandeis note should be seen by others who think something is a safety. It may not be, presumably because of $$ IMHO.

After all, their yield is only 1/6. So what exactly would be being protected ? Take out ED and its 1/8. Regardless, the student wasn’t admitted no matter the reason.

The point of posts like this should be for others to learn.

I’m happy for the outcome but if I gave guidance up front it would have been as a student with high need to have a wider list of meets need schools. I suspect most would have said so.

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Clever :wink:

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I completely agree with you. Frankly, I’m not surprised at all with his admission results. I am surprised that he only applied to schools in MA. Perhaps this was highschoolsweat’s application strategy.

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I suspect the same thing.

Of course yield protection is a real issue, and people should take it into account when forming a list. Obviously everything worked out fine for the OP, but in general I sort of stand by my original advice to people in the OP’s position (as per the original thread).

But it is quite nice when it turns out unnecessary!

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Thanks for coming back. I am making a mental note of how you’d score in the various categories. I don’t know how they may have scored your LOR’s or personal essay but know you would have received full credit in most of the other 4 categories, maybe 28 or 29/30 spread over the 6 categories?

You should be proud and truly hope you have an amazing career. Congratulations!

One question. They tell us about John Harvard and the 3 lies. Is that information true, or were they faking us out on the tour? That it really is John Harvard instead of Sherman Hoar.