TAMU Class of 2023 - Admission Decisions/Discussion

@pbleigh

Similarly, and the link is probably now buried, but I posted a link from youtube of UT Amissions Officer scoring an application. After the Academic Index is established of rank and scores, all of the other stuff is weighed and each application is given a number from 1-6, with 6 being high and 1 being low. So, at the end of the day, a kid with a decent academic index but with less regarded other components could get a lower scored application than one of lesser academic index but higher scored other components. And sometimes an application can be read by someone different and it goes from a 3 to a 4 or 5 to a 6.

Another post I read elsewhere,and the poster stated they were not in admissions side of things but fields calls from parents, and asked how many parents actually read and proofed their kids essays and application?
They got calls all of the time about applications and when she looks at them, hardly anything was included. While technically received as required documents, some kids, despite being very well rounded and accomplished, just didn’t take the time to demonstrate how accomplished they were where they listed all of their awards, volunteer hours, activities, etc.

@Fullofhope23 I envy you for getting in. I regret not acknowledging my mental illness on my app bc I feel that it at least might’ve gotten me gateway, I’m probably just overthinking this though. Not saying that’s why you got in of course, I’m sure you’re an awesome student!
@aggiegirl88 I have also thought about the option of blinn for the semester and then applying as a transfer for spring 2020. If your family decides on that option (or anyone in this forum) and is looking for a roommate, please let me know! If I decide to go that route which I will be deciding on soon, I want to be able to meet people in the same situation as me and hopefully get an apartment together or however the living situation works at blinn.

It would have been nice 4 weeks ago for them to announce all full admits are gone. Or on February 14th these iare our Blinn Team offers for this year. However when I called yesterday they said everything is still available. Yes I get that the people who are answering the phone are not in charge but they should be given correct info to pass on.

@Thelma2 Yes, and at least one of the times I was at a mock holistic review a UT AO was there, but the process taught me to make sure my kid filled out everything completely and have his teachers review it. In the case of the kid I mentioned above, these packets are all real kids packets but the names have been changed. After the process where the different tables of parents and admission officers finished deciding who they would have admitted, we were told what actually did happen at the school the kids applied at, and that kid did not get in even though he had the highest SAT scores.

@texag @pbleigh I appreciate yalls opinions but I think you misunderstood my post. I totally agree that both colleges are good choices for students to attend. I mean its obvious that UT is more academically better than A&M but dont get me wrong, A&M is still a good campus trust me. I`m sorry if I caused confusion. Good luck!

@sma1234 Not exactly sure what your position is to judge definitively that ā€œUT is more academically better than A&M,ā€ but I think you are wrong. If you are going on nationally published rankings then read the criteria for those rankings, most highly weight the subjective opinions of guidance councilors for example. Being a computer engineer myself I tend to rely more on provable, non-subjective facts and the opinion of a bunch of high school college councilors wouldn’t reach that bar in my opinion.

@Thelma2 , my kid did not list his Eagle Scout on his application in his first saved-but-not-submitted draft. Talk about a face-palm! 8-| There’s a fine line between having him do the the work with me checking over it and me doing the work on his behalf. I did not read his essay, but had a career English teacher friend work with him. We are still waiting, as he is still in review with what I believe are decent-but-not-exemplary stats. I’ll post stats and decision when we know one way or another. The good news remains that he is not as concerned about it as I am. As the only school in the state with his chosen major, I’m much more in love with the program than the school. If you need me, I’ll be over here with the wine bottle. . . er, case.

@sma1234, go home. If all you want to do is stir up trouble, find another place to do so.

@dalenchip I can totally commiserate with your post!!! My son pretty much fubar’d his application by hitting submit too soon. ADHD in full force at 1 am. Lol. Anyway in hindsight we should have withdrawn the application and resubmitted. And I’m embarrassed by how many bottles of wine this process has put me through. ?

@JaceyK - while I think my daughter is strong applicant (29M, 27E) - your son is the one I can’t believe has not been accepted yet.

@JaceyK and @daleNchip You are not alone ??

@sma1234 given the grammatical incorrectness of your ā€˜more academically better’ line…I think there’s a reason you haven’t been accepted into UT or A&M. If you’re so positive UT is the end all, why would you even bother applying to A&M?
(My father & brother’s are UT grads, so I have burnt orange blood, but I guarantee they wouldn’t trash talk another school, even A&M).
It’s a shame your application is taking up precious time at TAMU, when there are so many others who truly WANT to be Aggies.

Not sure if anyone is interested in this but I have found it helpful at times. There is a Georgia Tech admissions blog by Rick Clark (one of their admissions folks). In some of his past posts he has discussed the holistic approach that they now use. I would imagine it would be similar given their competitive admissions. Just google Georgia Tech Admissions, Rick Clark. You can sign up to get the weekly email. Just FYI…

Does anybody know if I were to get psa or pta (I forget the difference between the two-whichever one is where you attend a sister school like a&m corpus for a year and get good grades and then transfer into a&m) would I be eligible for that sister schools scholarships? I have only applied to A&M whereas my friends who applied to A&M corpus directly got a butt load of scholarships with lower test scores and gpa than me but If I were to apply to corpus right now I’d be too late to be eligible for ANY of their scholarships- so I was just wondering if any of the bright minds on here know if I would be elgible for scholarships at a sister school if I got psa

is it true that you have to wait a whole year to transfer to TAMU?

Hey, y’all. Let’s just all remember to be kind to each other. We have to be kind even to folks who make us mad, even to folks who say dumb things, even to folks who make egregious grammatical mistakes and, yes, even to t-sips. There are lots of reasons why y’all love A&M - I’m not an Aggie, just a lurker on this forum - and one of those reasons is the great Spirit of Aggieland, so let’s make sure that spirit always shines through on this thread.

@NoScreenNameAv Here! Here!

Thankfully 99% are here to gather information, learn and share what they know in the best way they can. Some like to nitpick wording to fit a narrative and that is fine. The stress of waiting affects people differently. Bottom line is that we all love our kids, they all went to highly competitive high schools, had super duper essays and tons of ECs. All that makes this process even more competitive and sometimes its hard to accept an outcome you don’t like especially when you are not in control of it.

I have some specific experience and plan to help put when I can at least through the next cycle. Many thanks to those that offered insight last year. You know who you are…

I just received an email from Tarleton State University, a member of the Texas A&M University system. They just invited me to register for a tour to preview the campus. The email came with an event schedule and other information. Does this mean I’m getting PSAD? Or am I just overthinking it? My brother received the email as well. We are both still in review.

@Mommydoodle & @nervoustamumommy, you all might find this link and information helpful:

http://provost.tamu.edu/Provost/media/Assets/pdfs-essentials/TexasA-Messentials_Freshman-Overview_ew.pdf

TAMU HOLISTIC REVIEW:
Academic index of class rank and test scores, plus personal achievement and distinguishing characteristics.

@Thelma2 gave you a very accurate (you can always try reaching out to one of the regional advisers for confirmation) description of how the Admissions office determines an academic index for each student, and how each application is scored. @Mommydoodle, it seems that you’ve taken the general idea of the weight of an essay, and made it very literal. It’s not that ā€œthe essayā€ carries equal or greater weight than other application attributes, it’s that ā€œpersonal achievement and distinguishing characteristicsā€ carry equal weight to ā€œacademic index and class rankā€. ONE way that applicants might demonstrate those distinguishing characteristics is via the essay.

That said, and I’m trying to be as gentle and diplomatic about this as is humanly possible, parents are are pretty much never the best judges of whether or not our own children’s achievements and distinguishing characteristics are outshining someone else. We’re a little biased towards our own kids’ strengths. And, a little too dismissive of the strengths of others that may be a weakness for our loved ones. As parents, we pretty much believe (and each of us knows that we’re right) that our kid is the best, most accomplished, most wonderful, most extraordinary, kid on the planet. :slight_smile: And, we are right, after all! The problem is that all of those other parents are right too.

An Admissions committee isn’t tasked with seeing applicants through a proud parents lens, nor giving greater weight to the attributes that we, as parents, see as our own kid’s strength or edge in the process. All of the talk about ā€œlower stat kidsā€ gaining admission when so-and-so’s kid had ā€œhigher statsā€ is Proud Parent talk not ā€œTAMU Admissionsā€ process. Stats (gpa, class rank, test scores),in holistic admissions, is only ever one piece of the puzzle. For example–

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A student with a 3.4 gpa, 2nd quarter rank, and an 1100 SAT score could be an amazing musician with a demonstrated knack and passion for composition and teaching. In her application, not only is she a solid student (above average), with an above average (everywhere except College Confidential, Ha!) SAT score, but her personality, her passion, and her plan for what she could give to and take from the A&M community shone through. She’s left an impression on her high school (evidenced by her rec letters), in her community, and with the AOs who read her file. Her essay was more than just an answer to a question, but made the AOs smile, and laugh, and cry, and truly see her on campus, and sharing that gift that her grandmother shared with her. They know she will, because it clearly meant so much to her. They can already tell that she’s got extraordinary leadership abilities and that she’s a doer, because she didn’t just list a bunch of school clubs with officer titles, but she was able to convince an obstinate school board to use gift money that she initiated for instruments for elementary students with no music program. Then, she volunteered her time, and convinced a retired music teacher to volunteer to get the music program going. She put together a musical that served as a fundraiser for music books and more instruments for the younger kids at her old elementary school. She got over her fear of public speaking, went to Austin, and gave a short but compelling speech before the State Board of Education on the value of music in education. While she’s never been a straight A student, there is a strong upward trend in the strength of her academic abilities. She’s from a poor district, but she demonstrates her grit by taking the most difficult classes that her school offers, even if she gets more Bs than As. In one of her rec letters, her math teacher noted that she’s never met a problem that she won’t work hard to master, and talked about a time that she used a musical anecdote to help herself, then her classmates understand a difficult concept. Her teacher ended the recommendation by saying that she has an extraordinary gift for teaching others. She’ll be the first person in her family to attend college. She wants to double major in Elementary Education and Music. She wants to be an elementary music teacher, and return to her old school to teach.
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There are a great many kids who have great grades. Some percentage of those kids don’t even have to try hard to get them. The average SAT score nationally is about 1068. TAMUs average is much higher, so almost all TAMU admits (even my imaginary music loving student) have ā€œabove averageā€ test scores. While it’s great to be in student council, NHS (or insert honor society of your choosing), chess club, , DECA, etc… Lots and lots of kids do those things. So even if your kid is amazing, it may not be as easy or as obvious as you think to distinguish themselves from the pack of other amazing kids. And, musical girl above is no less deserving of TAMU admission, because she didn’t rise to the first or second decile of her class, or manage to get an SAT score in the 99th percentile. Her ability to demonstrate potential and opportunity for success, distinguishing herself from her peers, isn’t diminished because her ā€œstatsā€ aren’t better than a random somebody else. She can tell her story better than the last applicant, and the next. If she does, she may very well gain the advantage.

None of this is to say that any kid is undeserving. To the contrary, I think that most of the kids showcased in this thread will or would thrive at A&M. The point is that there’s no definitive formula to give you. There’s no right or wrong mix of awesome attributes. It’s a combination of the story that is told from your child’s academic profile, other distinguishing characteristics, and the perception of those things by admissions. There is no question that your kids are accomplished and deserving. But ā€œlower statsā€ does not, by default, mean ā€œlesser applicantā€.