<p>Does she have a shot at Cornell Hotel? It’s a business leadership program with a hospitality slant, and includes culinary coursework. </p>
<p>Cornell and the CIA have a joint program. She could actually go to the CIA and then transfer into Cornell. Or maybe vice versa. </p>
<p>It’s worth looking at. </p>
<p>I am a Cornell Hotel parent with a 2010 grad and a 2014 sophomore.</p>
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I’m coming at this as someone who desperately wanted to go to college and didn’t. There is just so much out there that you never get to know if you don’t go to college. And the gap just expands as you get older and life gets in the way, you know? There are also other culinary schools that are excellent, too, that are pretty flexible for professionals.
Can you at least persuade her to do regular applications and keep the doors open until the last minute next spring?</p>
<p>Oh and for your original question, yes you can absolutely say this to your daughter.</p>
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<p>I’m not sure if she would consider that, since just mention any Ivy and she gets hives. (she was recruited by a few for soccer, and she just laughed at this idea)</p>
<p>However, if the CIA is involved, she would take a look. Thanks for the 411!</p>
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<p>Maybe. As long as she doesn’t think I’m trying to manipulate her. She doesn’t like being manipulated or told what to do.</p>
<p>CNP55 - those were my thoughts. </p>
<p>Poetgrl - a couple of thoughts from a mother with an equally independent minded daughter. One thing I know, is that if I try to couch my remarks in such a way as to be less than direct, said daughter smells it immediately and is very resentful. She may not be happy with what I say in a straightforward manner, but at least she isn’t angry that I have been patronizing. </p>
<p>I would feel exactly as you do, for exactly the same reasons. As someone pointed out, the restaurant business is brutal and the rate of success is low. She is far more likely to be successful if she is a little older when she starts. (When said stubborn daughter wanted to go to law school right after undergrad I told her entering as a woman with working experience would set her up to be respected, she wouldn’t have to prove she was mature).</p>
<p>Your daughter would also be more compatible age-wise with her peers if goes to college first. If she goes to culinary school and then goes to college, she will be older then her peers and I am not sure that is always an advantage as an undergraduate. </p>
<p>So - my emphasis would be that she has a far great chance of success if she enters culinary school as a mature adult with relevant work experience. </p>
<p>Good luck and always remember - you don’t need to get in the last word. Know when TO SHUT YOUR MOUTH!!! Said with great fondness and humility! :)</p>
<p>My neighbor’s daughter told her parents she was done with college after 2 years and that she wanted to go to culinary school. And so she did and now has a catering business/cafe. Seems to be doing well as it has been around for several years. She loves her job.</p>
<p>The fact of the matter is that she isn’t into doing the academics, it could bode ill. Perhaps she can go to culinary school first, and then college. Traditional sleep away college for 4 or so years is not the typical way to go. It tends to be for the privileged who have no other direction,bar those who are truly academically motivated. If someone has a direction, I would not push it. I would not push it for kids who adamently don’t want to go either. There is not a time limit on it. Where I give a bit of a nudge is where kids don’t know what they want to do and the alternative includes lying on the couch all day.</p>
<p>Has she ever worked in a restaurant kitchen? If not, maybe the first step is for her to get a job in one this summer.</p>
<p>*Okay. My junior in HS wants to go to culinary school.</p>
<p>I want her to go to college first. We will pay for both. She doesn’t have to choose between them. </p>
<p>I don’t care if she goes to the CIA after she goes to college, and I don’t care if she goes to one of the top schools where she has been recruited to play soccer, and I don’t even care if she plays soccer. I’m fine with her being done with that.</p>
<p>But I want her to go to college. </p>
<p>End rant.*</p>
<p>My answer may not be popular, but here goes.</p>
<p>I do think she should go to college first - at least to get a business degree or something that would work well with a culinary degree. I do think she’ll need both.</p>
<p>Are there any ACCREDITED universities that offer both?</p>
<p>“Has she ever worked in a restaurant kitchen?”</p>
<p>I hope she knows that 6 months of hands on kitchen work is required for admission to CIA. So tell her that she could work that part time during her first year of college. (FYI that’s how I worked my way thru grad school—as a line chef)</p>
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<p>That is the problem. </p>
<p>Last summer she wanted a car. We told her she had to work in the summer if she wanted a car, to put the money towards it. (we feel kids are more careful with cars they have paid for, partially)</p>
<p>She got a job at a restaurant, as a hostess. But she kept wandering back to the kitchen and talked them into letting her do a few things here and there. She was very good at it. This is a white tablecloth.</p>
<p>The chef took an interest in her, and she has this amazing taste in food, really able to taste what is going on in something. the chef is the one who told her she should go to CIA and will write a recommendation.</p>
<p>So, this is her first time with a job, lots of praise, independence, highly valued, woman chef, who she really admired and who she will be working for again this summer.</p>
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<p>I second that suggestion.</p>
<p>One of my D’s very good friends just finished CIA (no college, went straight to CIA after HS) and in the last year has started her own kosher catering company. She already has a lot of work lined up and is doing well for a young woman. She is talking about going to a local UC in the next couple of years to study nutrition, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s off the table as her catering company becomes more successful. Compared to the the other friends my D knows who graduated college last year, this is the only one with a promising career. The others are working, but so far, unable to find work in their chosen fields.</p>
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<p>Oh, boy. Have YOU talked to this woman? I ask because there really are people who are “naturals” and your daughter may be one of them. It would be interesting to know if the female chef understands that you would support college and formal training. The chef might give you some perspective and might become an advocate for college first.</p>
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<p>I have to tell you that I have really considered calling this woman, whose restaurant we do eat in, and telling her that we intend to support whatever schooling D wants, just we want her to go to college first.</p>
<p>But, oh my, I was never going to be THAT mom. AND, it could really backfire with the kiddo.</p>
<p>No, I think I’m going to have to talk directly to my daughter about this. But, as you can see, I still have too much to say on the matter to trust myself to say it correctly and not to belabor the point and head right out into blah, blah, blah-ville. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Compromise position? </p>
<p>[Degree</a> Requirements: Culinary Arts](<a href=“http://www.drexel.edu/catalog/degree/culinary.htm]Degree”>http://www.drexel.edu/catalog/degree/culinary.htm)</p>
<p>Culinary Arts with Business Minor</p>
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As suggested in post#8 - Johnson & Wales</p>
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<p><a href=“http://www.jwu.edu/content.aspx?id=20000[/url]”>http://www.jwu.edu/content.aspx?id=20000</a></p>
<p>Let’s say it again: Johnson & Wales. At least look it up. It does what it does very well. One of the top 3 in the US. (What’s the other? French Culinary Inst, I believe.)</p>
<p>Also, what my mom always said: go to college for at least two years of credits. It’s easier to go back and finish the missing two years than to be older and try to tackle four years.</p>
<p>sylvan–here is the co-op program Drexel offers:</p>
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<p>poetgrl-- this seems to be something to suggest to DD as something to look into.</p>
<p>My offspring’s step-sib did the 2 year program at CIA. CIA may decide this for you. It isn’t that easy to get in. It’s especially difficult to get in directly from high school. I doubt that the OP’s daughter has enough experience at this point to be admitted. As someone else said, the 4 year program does include business courses. My offspring’s step sib didn’t do it because she can’t hack the math she’d need for the business courses. (She’s a smart kid, just horrible at math.) </p>
<p>I’d offer something else. I’d suggest a gap year where she works full time in a high class restaurant that isn’t owned by a family friend. If she does this for a full year as a regular employee–which means working Christmas, Thanksgiving, Saturday nights, etc.,–then she can go to CIA if she still wants to, she gets in and you’ll pay for it. </p>
<p>The do college first path is tough because it’s unlikely she can go directly from college to CIA. Not impossible, but difficult. She’ll probably need to work in a restaurant for at least a year in between to get the sort of experience and recommendations she’ll need. </p>
<p>But I wouldn’t agree to pay for CIA even if she can get in until she has enough exposure to the life style to know that this is what she wants. </p>
<p>In a hundred million years, I wouldn’t suggest that anyone go to Johnson &Wales instead of CIA. CIA is THE school for culinary arts. If she’s a good student and wants to do hotel management, Cornell is THE school for that. </p>
<p>There are some college/and programs that IMO are better than Johnson & Wales. Check out SUNY Cobleskill. Its advantage is that she can switch into another major if she changes her mind and it’s more like a “normal” college experience. But if she wants to cook, all of them are inferior to CIA.</p>
<p>One more thing…my second hand understanding is that CIA is pretty cut throat. Class rank MATTERS in terms of getting jobs. It’s a competitive atmosphere.</p>
<p>How about applying to both, and if she wants CIA when all is said is done, college can be deferred for a year, perhaps 2 and she can enter with her CIA degree under her belt. It’s not a degree granting institution of the kind that interferes with deferring a college acceptance, and then she will have that option still open to her. With her CIA credential she can get a kickass restaurant job and work while she is in school if she likes. Or her chef career may take off and she may never look back. Or CIA may not be to her taste and she will have college waiting for her.</p>