<p>supers scoring: why is supers-scoring considered less accurate or less smart? Isn’t a series of scores or achievements or athletic times:) a more accurate indication of the persons abilities. And I’ve read that one time test takers can also score higher than they would if they take it multiple times, on multiple tries more than 50% of takers test lower.</p>
<p>Maybe he was referring to just the CR and Math sections when he was talking about a “perfect” score.</p>
<p>keylyme ^^^^ you may well be right. I honestly have no clue - I was repeating it here more as an example of the very competitive environment some of our children are possibly entering by needing to meet ivy academic acceptance standards as well as being Div. 1 athletes, and that I don’t know just how much leeway is given by AdCom for each athlete - of course, I do believe it does depend on each school, and just how important the sport is to each school.<br>
I did not mean to start any dispute regarding perfect SAT scores at all - I am sorry!!</p>
<p>In the midst of all the speculation, here are some facts!</p>
<p>The Yale track office is sending out their letters to junior prospects today. The letter congratulates the student on their track achievements and then goes on to state that they might wish to look into attending Yale if they have the following academic stats:</p>
<p>Top 10% of graduating class
SAT over 1900
ACT over 27</p>
<p>How do we interpret this? I would say the Yale track coach is casting a wide net, but is also being clear about who is not at all a candidate.</p>
<p>Just wanted to jump in, and I apologize because I haven’t been following this thread, but someone mentioned being critical of those who pay money they don’t have to boost the skills of their mediocre athletes. I couldn’t agree more. Unfortunately, I’ve seen this happen many, many times, and it saddens me to see the strain this puts on the athletes. The other thing that really bothers me is when parents transport their hs students for hours during the school week to practice with a high profile team . . . always based out of town. Inevitably their grades suffer. I just don’t see the point. For me, if an athlete is outstanding, when the time comes, those who need to notice will, and they won’t have lousy grades dragging them down either.</p>
<p>Yale won’t take many kids with a 27 and a 1900. That’s a wide net.
Amherst wants a 32/2100.
Williams will take a 31 with over 700 on the SAT2s
Midd will take a 31/2100 either one, SAT2s not required.
A small number(less than 50)boys and girls total can get into those school(s)for the entire athletic program with lower stats. They ALL want top 10% grades.
For Harvard, the bar for the recruited athlete in our town was 2100s.</p>
<p>I have never understood travel athletic programs which regularly go out of state for competitions, thereby costing parents bundles of money for hotels etc., when the team is only mediocre. Such teams already have plenty of very competitive teams within their own state that they haven’t managed to beat yet. So it seems to me this showy stuff feeds into the egos of the parents but makes little sense in terms of allocation of resources. That’s not to say I don’t understand the appeal of the occasional beach or amusement park tourney out of state. And if people want to spend their money that way, well it’s a free country. I just never bought into it as a reasonable expenditure unless the team is at the top of the state and needs to travel to challenge themselves and play at an appropriate level.</p>
<p>At least in soccer, exposure, and correct adjustment, to a variety of playing styles improves the athlete. Additionally, there is a variety in quality and emphasis of officiating - one neighboring state my daughter’s team visited last year had referees that called the slightest contact, even that legal by any interpretation I’d seen before, as a foul. It made a difference in the quality of the game, and the team, via the coach and on-field leadership, had to adjust (as a side note, the opposing teams were quite weak in winning 50/50 events, and so have had a disservice done to the advancement of their players’ quality). I’ve seen the reverse too - where anything goes - and it’s a terribly unpleasant game when that happens. This especially seem to happen in girls’ soccer IMO, at least at the high school level (which has so many officiating problems on its own) - the difference in officiating from the same people between a girls and boys game is often distinct, and does a disservice to improving the team and the individuals. Regardless, it’s a factor the players need to properly adjust for to improve their own play, and certainly exists even more regionally, etc.</p>
<p>Also, in soccer, fields vary in size, pitch, dryness, grass type, typical weather, etc. These all affect the game. I’ve seen my daughter’s team capitalize on their fitness during a sleet storm and and win, and yet a few weeks later lose to a relatively mediocre team because they couldn’t compensate properly for playing on a very small field.</p>
<p>I’m not objecting to the annual out of state national tournaments so much. The good ones seem to attract many of the top college coaches, and most of the time, they’ll last for a week or so. My objection is with the parents who feel they need to put their kid on a team out of town where practice requires them to show up during the week after school and not get home until very late at night. I’ve often wondered how they got homework done, what they ate for dinner (fast food no doubt), and how much stress they experienced on a daily basis with all that running around and no time to rest. Most of the time, another team of adequate caliber is available closer by, but these parents feel they need to get their kid on a big name team allied with a big name organization. So silly in my eyes. Haven’t seen any of these kids get into the Ivies or Stanford btw.</p>
<p>Our student got a very detailed recruiitng package from a school outling times, SATs, GPA etc and how they may start talking to say 250 candidates and will support only 10 by the time it shakes out because the kids dont have the GPA and SAT to even be in the pool (even if their times are good)</p>
<p>^^^that’s us:)</p>
<p>but she did “get in” (recruited) by everyone and I mean everyone…it did help to have a 2300 SAT.</p>
<p>beawinn: not only is it crazy exhausting, it’s dangerous. because how do they get to and from out of town practice, in the winter, at night, or before sunrise, and when it’s raining, in a car. knock on wood I just want her to be done driving highways and get her to college where the facilities and coaches are right there!</p>
<p>Through all this junior club athletics my biggest fear has been that damn car.</p>
<p>we had a tiger by the tail. so we paid money so she’d have a better environment to exploit her athletic ability. but I’ve seen a couple so so athletes turn in to amazing athletes on this club as well, so how do you know if it’s right until you try.</p>
<p>Its all about balance, what’s available close by, and your kid.
For us, we hit a wall with coaching available and had to go on the road once or twice a week-90 minutes in the car for ninety minutes of practice. We talked, studied out loud(SAT vocab and latin and greek roots) and ate at little diners. It was actually a bonding experience.
It was the first thing to go when the week was too busy, or too much schoolwork, but for my S in his individual sport, it was worth it without being burdensome, or changing the focus of his HS experience.</p>
<p>Pach-2300-I guess she should get in everywhere! Nice job! I hope you let that number slip when people say your D is accepted “just because of sports”</p>
<p>We keep talking about student-athletes and their selection to college teams as though it’s a binary system: athletic ability plus academic stats. There is a very important and powerful third component: you could call it “fit” but it’s also about gut feel, character, integrity, coachability, ability to play well with others (like in kindergarten, not on the field) and so on. This somewhat intangible piece can be what causes a coach to recruit someone with a less-than-stellar set of academic stats, or even someone with seemingly lesser athletic talents. If the coach and team “want” someone because they think he brings something special to the team, it will happen, and someone who looks better on paper might get passed over. </p>
<p>Our kids are used to being recruited for club teams, or making varsity just because of their athletic talent, and never because of their grades or character. Especially in the case of public school teams: the coach doesn’t have much choice about who gets on the team. It’s going to be the kids who play best and who happen to live in his district. But college coaches have the luxury of choosing talented kids from all over the country, who also exhibit all the personal characteristics they want to work with for the next four years. Any time the prospective student athlete is talking with the coach: on the phone, on line, and especially during visits, it’s a job interview. We adults are really familiar with how this works. The guy with the best resume isn’t always the one who gets the job. The job goes to the guy everyone wants to work with.</p>
<p>And Riverrunner, I will take your comments about the competition and widen the circle even further… my child was in contention for a slot at a top Ivy with a kid from the Far East… depending on the sport and the school, the reach can be far and wide…and definitely international… </p>
<p>and so far this year, my athlete’s best contribution may be in recruiting (suffered an injury so not contributing on the field) … 2 out of 3 of the overnights hosted have committed so far… not too shabby!! Kind of an intangible thing that can make a coach go “hmmmnnn”… LOL</p>
<p>maineparent, I hear you. Congrats to your child who must be making things look pretty attractive…</p>
<p>And you’re right about world-wide competition. It seems some sports, tennis for example, are predominantly internationals at the DI level.</p>
<p>I think this is where the personality and chemistry come into play…</p>
<p>Coaches want kids who are easy to be with and no drama…</p>
<p>And they are not just recruiting for the here and now, they are looking for potential to improve over the course of their college careers. This is especially true for very strong programs, with solid depth. They don’t need all their freshman recruits to come in as the top performers. They want some recruits that they can count on to improve and move up through the ranks and be top contrributers as juniors and seniors, as told by an Ivy league coach.</p>
<p>Is it too late to take your SAT/ACT beginning of senior year? I took my first SATs in January, but the score wasn’t very good for IL (close to 2000). I am too afraid to report my scores to the coaches since they might “kick me out” of consideration.
I’m planning to use the summer to prepare for my tests because I’m really busy during school days. However, recruiting starts July 1st and I’m afraid senior year SAT/ACT is too late…
I plan to take the ACT next month and in June. I will take my SAT IIs in June as well.</p>
<p>You should be fine, especially if you do well on the ACT either in April or June. My daughter is doing the same exact thing. Don’t be afraid to report a SAT score close to 2000, especailly if it is your first try. My daughter spoke to an Ivy league coach today who said she had taken the SAT 6 times herself. They will not hold it against if you take it a few times, they understand you are an athlete and have extraordinary demands on your time. The coach did tell her they were looking for SAT scores in the high 600’s on each section.</p>