<p>I know that subject tests are highly recommended, but how bad would it be to not submit two? I am considering only sending math II. (Industrial engineering major).</p>
<p>My daughter only submitted one–US History. I hope that won’t go against her. She read the following on their site and even though they suggested, but not required two tests, they also said they would look at any and all tests submitted:</p>
<p>“We recommend (but do not require) that you submit official results of at least two SAT Subject Tests, as these additional scores often assist us in our evaluation process. You are welcome to submit any and all SAT Subject Tests you have completed. We do not have a preference for the specific SAT Subject Tests you elect to take. However, if you elect to take a math test, we do prefer to see the Math Level 2 test if you feel that your math background has adequately prepared you for this test.”</p>
<p>If you’ve taken them, send them.</p>
<p>“Bad” ones won’t count against you.</p>
<p>It only helps if you submit good sat 2 scores,if you don’t submit,it won’t lower your chances,but it would increase others chances,in another way,your chance is lowered.</p>
<p>I got in EA without submitting any. It was actually by accident though. I thought CollegeBoard automatically sent them like they do SAT (I) scores. I didn’t notice I never submitted them until after I got accepted. I guess all’s well that ends well.</p>
<p>What was your SAT I? Did you submit AP scores?</p>
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<p>Those are my stats (2010 SAT, no AP scores), but looking back now, I honestly think my CommonApp essay was a MAJOR factor in my admission.</p>
<p>Well, I’m a good writer…or at least I seem to be. My spirit has been rekindled. I’ll see what happens, that’s all I can do I guess.</p>
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<p>Are you sure? I REALLLLLLLLy hope so!!! I didn;t know SAT IIS weren’t required. So I sent all three which were 770, 730 and …590:(:(:(:(. I feel like such a stupid idiot!! Will they not care about the 590 since they don’t require SAT IIs??</p>
<p>@ Collegestress16: Well your other two scores are good! So I wouldn’t worry about it too much. And 590 isnt bad since the other scores are great. Hopefully the 590 isn’t in a subject that you are really passionate about, for example, if you say you love science and want to be a doctor but get a 590 on Biology. Like I hate math but I love science and history. I got 740 on Bio, 720 on US History, but not so good on math II. Still its fine you sent them all because they aren’t required anyway.</p>
<p>^ Thanks!! You made me feel so much more relieved. I got the 590 in UShistory and also got a B+ in the class so my schools probably know its not my strongest point. I put math and statistics as my major and the 770 is from mathii. luckily other schools have score choice!!</p>
<p>@ Affe
“Those are my stats (2010 SAT, no AP scores), but looking back now, I honestly think my CommonApp essay was a MAJOR factor in my admission.”</p>
<p>You’re hispanic…that was the MAJOR factor</p>
<p>Oh I forgot that being Hispanic overshadows every accomplishment I’ve made.</p>
<p>I find it quite derogatory when people try to demean me because someone is too thick to realize they do NOT actually know me, my achievements, or my determination. I’m sure being Hispanic overshadowed the facts that I started my own photography business, won my first two (of three) academic state championships as a sophomore, was part of our 2x state champion cross country team as a freshman/junior (we won 3rd and 2nd my sophomore and senior years respectively as well), and poured my heart out and spent countless hours on multiple revisions of my essays (for which my admission counselor personally told me was an absolute joy to read and another adcom wrote in a personal note to me, “I admire your courage in writing the editorial at your HS. I look forward to meeting you!”). </p>
<p>So I am sorry if I don’t agree that being Hispanic was “the MAJOR factor” in my acceptance. Wait you know what, I almost forgot that I did help organize for traditional Baile Folklorico dancers from Mexico to perform at our (culturally deprived) school for Cinco de Mayo.</p>
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Hey Affe,</p>
<p>Its really cool you did that stuff…but you still have a 2010 on your SAT. Thats pritty low for HYPS. Being hispanic is prbly wat pushed you in. It would b pritty ignorant to just ignore that schools give MAJOR boosts to URMs.</p>
<p>@ Affe</p>
<p>To say that an Asian applicant with your stats/profile/accomplishments would have gotten into Stanford is absolutely absurd. You are an under-represented minority and you cannot control that. It does not “overshadow” your accomplishments but to say that it did not play a major role in your admission (especially to Stanford, which is probably the biggest AA school out there)…you’re lying to yourself.</p>
<p>Any minority who gets in is qualified to be there and can handle the work. Stanford is known to be very hollistic in its admissions and they know that a SAT score ultimately means nothing. There was something unique about Affe that the admissions officers found, something more compelling than, oh idk, solving a rubik’s cube. You can whine all you want InvisibleMan about how you’re Asian, but you are; deal with it. Stanford’s application is one of the most extensive out there and really allows you to show what makes you unique. Yes, a lot of Asians are academically strong. But that is why it is even more important for these applicants to show what makes them different from the other thousands. Yes, URMs often have better chances, but this is because there are not as many strong applicants. URM is by no means however, a defining factor, in the same way that ORM is by no means a defining factor. </p>
<p>You telling Affe that he only got in because he was hispanic is the equivalent of me telling you that you’re not getting in because you’re Asian. But neither statement is true. Grow the hell up.</p>
<p>It’s “funny” how every thread turns into a URM thread. From my responses I gather that SAT Subject Tests help if they’re good, and if they’re bad they don’t do much. It seems that submitting them adds another level of personalization/evaluation, but they are by no means necessary.</p>
<p>@Rtgrove123, I am in the middle 50% of SAT scores for Stanford.</p>
<p>@InvisibileMan023 Let me start by saying I am sorry Stanford does not want a student body completely full of Asians with perfect SAT scores. If that were the case, I would not have applied. Wouldn’t you agree that above a certain threshold, SAT scores are just a measure of how many study books/ tutors you can afford? I’ve actually read studies that state SAT do not correlate to how well a student will do at college. So why do you put so much importance in them? Also, did these rejected applicants medal at state athletically all 4 years in high school? Start their own business? I want to meet these mythical applicants you speak of.</p>
<p>So in what ways other than SAT scores am I deficient? I can tell you that I come from a high school with a senior student populations of 76, located roughly in the middle of nowhere. Opportunities aren’t exactly in abundance here. Not to sound narcissistic, but I have achieved more than any student from here ever has. Especially coming from a low-income, single-parent household with 4 other siblings. Also, you do not know the content of my essays. I can tell you I thought my essays were amazing. And essays are actually quite a large factor.</p>
<p>Also, I do believe I add diversity in many respects, including coming from a very rural area. I don’t know how many applicants can say they see a windmill farm from their bedroom window. I don’t know how many applicants can name all their classmate’s middle names. I don’t know how many applicants who are exactly like me. Actually, I find it “absolutely absurd” for a person to think they can single handedly say who gets in and not. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you cannot say with absolute certainty that an Asian version of me stands no chance in hell getting in.</p>
<p>Let me be clear, I am not arguing that my URM status was not a factor. You could of have said being Hispanic increased my chances. However, you made it out to be the ONLY factor that mattered, and my achievements weren’t “good enough.” Where do you get off telling others what constitutes “qualified?” There is a point when picking the “more qualified” applicants just means picking those with the money to travel, to study, to be tutored. In your mind, you see test scores as the measure of a man. They aren’t. I know Stanford saw something in me. A spark that told them I am going to achieve great things. This is precisely what drives me. I want to look back in 30+ years and see how far I’ve gotten and how much I’ve impacted the world. I want to remember this conversation. And think to myself, I remember there were once people who didn’t think I deserved my education at Stanford because my SAT scores weren’t high enough. </p>
<p>BTW - I would LOVE for you to show me an Asian applicant from a small school/rural area from a low-income father supporting 5 kids that has won 4 state athletic medals (all four years), 5 academic state metals and counting…, started their own photography business, and wrote such meticulously sculpted essays as I did. Trick question! I’m half-Asian! Hahahaha.</p>
<p>@Affe</p>
<p>I’ve obviously hurt your ego, and I am sorry for that. But i feel compelled to clear things up here.
First of all, “Asian” applicant does not mean the stereotypical, high scoring super geek. That was twenty years ago. Now days, ALL applicants are well rounded and are good at everything. You and I have more similarities than you think. We are both from small towns in Texas and have received state recognition in multiple sports. But you are much better “applicant” than I am for several reasons and one of them being race. I NEVER said that was the only factor, but I strongly believe it is truly disingenuous to bring up your stats, “2010 SAT, no ap scores…but CA essay was a major factor”, and not state the fact that you’re a low-income Hispanic in a single parent household. It gives many applicants the wrong idea of college admissions. And you wanted examples? Just look at the Stanford Results threads over the past couple years. </p>
<p>The worst assumption that all of you have made is that I’m against this! I fully support Stanford’s and all other school’s Affirmative Action admissions. Even if it will screw me over come April, I understand that many people like you do not have the resources or the background to score well on tests and other measures of academic prowess. However, I’m sure you’ll be the next Sonia Sotomayor. Just understand the fact that there are many more talented, and some say even more deserving, students out there who will not get into the schools you have/do. And once again, I am OK with that; that is college admissions at its core.</p>
<p>I absolutely second everything invisibleman posted above. The thing that really drives me crazy is when minorities who were helped greatly by affirmative action believe that because they were admitted to HYPS, they were more academically qualified than every ORM and white that got rejected.</p>