The Indian Thread (TiT) # 14

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<p>~MM: “Does everyone on this forum hate Bush? Is there someone who doesnt?”
~Prachi : “so anybody here who likes or midlly agrees with BUsh?”</p>

<p>For the sake of a disussion, I am going to love that fellow! Can you show me another specimen which can be a better missing link?</p>

<p>Tell me 5 things what is right with him, I mean, in fact, wrong with him. You got none! If yes, which one?</p>

<p>~sphynx0288 : “The world needed someone to take charge and stand strong in the face of threat. I personally don’t know of anyone else who would have had the initiative to do just that.”</p>

<p>Do you * personally know * him? </p>

<p>Historically considering, there have been many men who took up similar responsibilities and take charge and stand strong in the face of threat, for example Winston Churchill who in the 1899 the second Anglo-Boer war tried, tested, experimented & verified the usage of chlorine gas as a means of weapon on the Africans, though the officially published date has been set by the British historians of the first use of chlorine for such an aim to be on April 22, 1915. </p>

<p>To be frank and honest, the only things I know in chemistry, apart from Physical Chemistry, is about making, manufacturing & dispersing of chemical agents as a means for the proper appropriation of the adversaries. Well, I know explosive stuffs too, but I am a bit afraid to handle many of them unless under proper conditions & with the right equipments, because I have seen many people with truncated limbs! Sarin, tabun, VX, etc can be made without much sophistication, though with utmost care, ie. unless you value your life. Anyway, if you want to try out something, I would suggest Nitrogen-tri-chloride for simple and solitary fun.</p>

<p>~vampiro : “If anyone is interested about the history of osama and the gulf war then say so and i will explain in detail.”
~acceptance : “yeah I am a history freak… please go on”</p>

<p>Bring it ON !
History is a text of representations & interpretations. The truth lives & dies somewhere else.</p>

<p>*~smarty : “US -BUSH dominance… is his sole destiny … and he is ready to do anything for that”
“BUSH and OSAMA are progenies of the same political plan … both also owe to the same ancestor…” *</p>

<p>And the Indian government is ready to dress up & undress for that! Earthworms are better vertebrates nowadays!</p>

<p>Same ancestor? And that is why both don’t want to believe in Evolution, because they not only will have the same ancestor, but will still be the same as that ancestor, at least one of them is.</p>

<p>~sphynx0288 : “Bush has provided a large part of the world with a sense of security and confidence …”</p>

<p>One French reporter upon re-visting Afghanistan after the fall Taliban sees that wives are walking 10 steps ahead of their husbands. During the time of Taliban, it was exactly opposite.
He asked if it is a reflection of the growing assertion of rights by the women after the fall of Taliban.
The husband replied : “No. Land mines.”</p>

<p>~MM: “Anyone going for the Bryan Adams concert next weekend?”</p>

<p>WHEN?
WHERE?
How to get the passes?</p>

<p>WHEN? (Summer of 69)
WHERE? (Cloud #9 )</p>

<p>~ prachi240987
Location: y would i be in any place other than bombay…</p>

<p>Because your parents will not let you leave Mumbai and/or come with me to Kerala!</p>

<p>**SHABIN **</p>

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<p>and shabin’s back…;)</p>

<p>btw, how did y’alls SATs go? I think I did significantly better than last time…no air-conditioning problems this time…atho’ while I was taking a p!ss during the break my friend, Aaron, thought it would rather entertaining to shake me and wet my pants…and it was entertaining…to him and the others in the room…</p>

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<p>i wanna go for the bruan adams concert… whens it in bombay yaar?</p>

<p>"~sphynx0288 : “Bush has provided a large part of the world with a sense of security and confidence …”</p>

<p>One French reporter upon re-visting Afghanistan after the fall Taliban sees that wives are walking 10 steps ahead of their husbands. During the time of Taliban, it was exactly opposite.
He asked if it is a reflection of the growing assertion of rights by the women after the fall of Taliban.
The husband replied : “No. Land mines.”"</p>

<p>~sphynx0288 meant the western world… n ya they do they think they are a large part of this world…</p>

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<p>Hello ppl! I am back :slight_smile:
I guess I did better on the SAT RT this time… Hoping for the best!
Cheers! :D</p>

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<p>*~prachi240987 : “sphynx0288 meant the western world… n ya they do they think they are a large part of this world…” *</p>

<p>Afghanistan is not in the western world, despite its being to the west of India, and Mumbai in prticular for you.
sphynx0288 said of a large part of the world, and the western world is not sufficiently large enough since it does not include S. American countries and the E. European countries too. USA, Canada & Europe are areawise and populationwise and species distributionwise insufficient to be branded as * a large part of the world*. Hence, by deduction, it can inferred to refer to * a larger part of the world* beyond the aforementioned regions.</p>

<p>~“i wanna go for the bruan adams concert… whens it in bombay yaar?”</p>

<p>WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? </p>

<p>SHABIN</p>

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<p>hey shabin,ronty and taj…good to know that your test went well taj and ronty.
and Shabin incase u didn’t notice…I already wrote the historical part a page back.</p>

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<p>idk about you but i think i would have led the country much better than bush…</p>

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<p>heres the info for Bryan Adams concert. Unfortunately, its only in Bombay and Bagalore, so I cant go. Damn!!</p>

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<p>Suman, r u an American Desi?
Welcome to TiT :)</p>

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<p>well sachit you wanted to go to his concert again?? he just came to delhi a year n a half back…and i wonder he’ll have much different songs to sing!!</p>

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<p>Shabin I’m afraid I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.
First of all, your mockery of my statement, “I do not personally know of anyone else who would have had the initiative to do just that” and your subsequent seemingly sarcastic question, “Do you personally know him” make no sense whatsoever. I never implied that I knew him in any way apart from your average newspaper reader. In fact I even went to the extent of conceding that far too much of public opinion is formed based on conventional wisdom of the time, namely, the portrayal of events by the media.
I simply stated that I could not think of anyone else who would have stood up and taken the reigns the way he has. Thank you for your history lesson concerning the acts of Winston Churchill, but I’m afraid that has no relevance in this matter, since he has passed away and so would have been unable to take charge the way Bush has. </p>

<p>Second, contrary to what prachi or you may have inferred, I am Indian. By a ‘large part of the world’, I was referring to a recent statistic from The Economist, which through a survey, categorically concluded that the majority felt safer with Bush at the helm. I’m afraid I do not know the details of the mechanics of the survey, but I trust that The Economist, with its vast resources would have conducted a fair test with an adequate representation of a world audience. If Osama began attacking India, or as he has already here in the UK where I’m currently studying, I would personally feel safer knowing that I had Bush on my side against it. </p>

<p>I feel it necessary to reiterate that I may not agree with his views and actions at all times, but believe that critics are far too harsh when it comes to Bush.</p>

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<p>UB man, what have the pommies done to you? Have you seen Farenheit 9/11?</p>

<p>No matter how safe Bush might make white boys feel, the truth is that you just don’t go attack sovereign nations. </p>

<p>Back in 1919, the Brits called Lala Lajpat Rai a terrorist, did that justify Jalianwallah?</p>

<p>Personally its not Bush who makes me feel safe against terrorists, its the Indian Army.</p>

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<p>dexter, i didnt get to go that time…thts y i really wanted to g this time…in spite of my boards…but goin to bombay/bangalore…not possible</p>

<p>and whos UB??? am i missing sumthin…</p>

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<p>Again, I don’t see where I have implied that I agree with his methods or the decisions he has taken. </p>

<p>“I feel it necessary to reiterate that I may not agree with his views and actions at all times, but believe that critics are far too harsh when it comes to Bush.”</p>

<p>And yes, in fact I had begun my original point, saying that anyone who has seen Fahrenheit 9/11 would emerge with strong sentiments against Bush and his government. However, it is important to remember to keep things in perspective. That is not an impartial documentary. It is aimed at destroying Bush. It raises some valid questions indeed, but I feel it is ridiculous that people seem to just jump on the bandwagon and claim that he is a ■■■■■■■.</p>

<p>Yes lives have been lost. Yes houses have been destroyed. But I find it sad that noone here is willing to stand back and look at the big picture, rather than just condemn the mistakes and profess a hatred for him. Put yourself is his shoes over the events of the last few years. </p>

<p>I appreciate your dramatic statement about your faith in the Indian Army. I am just as patriotic as the next guy, and feel the same pride in those men, especially since my grandfather served in the Army. However, I wonder how far the Army could help in preventing terrorist strikes by bombers already planted in the country, waiting to strike. Bush has begun a large-scale campaign to tackle terrorism at its very source. It was never going to be easy, but he has made that decision. Whether that was the optimum strategy is a different matter.</p>

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<p>What I meant was who is Bush to decide arbitarily that all Iraqis and Afghans are terrorists? My example with Lala Lajpat Rai was meant to show that even though to the West, some Arabs appear to be terrorists, to Arabs those guys are freedom fighters. Eventually history will decide, but for now the least we can do, is see to it that Bush doesn’t go around invading just whosoever he pleases.</p>

<p>As for him making a postive change, that’s quite debatable. Saddam was a tyrant, but he kept the peace in Iraq. Iraq was one of the few secular Arab nations. Now a Shiite led Islamic government will come into power. Everyone knows that in the confusion of the Iraq invasion and the emergence of Shiite Imams as power figures, terrorism has actually taken a foundation in Iraq.</p>

<p>“I appreciate your dramatic statement about your faith in the Indian Army. I am just as patriotic as the next guy, and feel the same pride in those men, especially since my grandfather served in the Army.”</p>

<p>LOL, I’m not very patriotic. I just know who’s protecting the borders.</p>

<p>By the way this debate isn’t going to go anywhere so lets just drop it. I especially don’t wanna see a friend flamed by the people on Tittie.</p>

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<p>its so nice all of you had a gr8 experiance with the SATS this time…</p>

<p>as of bush…</p>

<p>well i am ready to be positive about bush any day as of his motives are concerned but highly condemn his way of doing things…</p>

<p>what we all condemn is not the views and ideas but the action and upheavel done to humanity by the BUSH-OSAMA duo…</p>

<p>What we know is that however no mater what said and done, the fight for terror’s destruction is terror in itslef but framed to a larger perpective seemingly justified. Yet the BUSH stuff went beyond to do what we call POWER PLAY… </p>

<p>Ofcourse his stands against terrorism in general is justified but to see in retrospect …: </p>

<p>OSAMA killed numerous Americans for his fight against BUSH.(or whatever you may call)</p>

<p>BUSH fought back and killed an infact gr8er no.s of arabs for the fight against terror… or the so called ones… </p>

<p>Who stands the gr8er enemy to mankind… </p>

<p>I sat both … for both the actions were illegal… both without any consent of the Global majority …without any popular support …and without any mass appreciation…what went out in IRAQ was simillar…</p>

<p>Certainly the fight against terror is predominantly US led for whatever they do … wherever they go… it becomes a ANTI_TERROR MISSIOn…which aint always true…</p>

<p>War wasnt the only solution to the problem in IRAQ…or even taliban…</p>

<p>BUsh mixed the traditional US dominant approach of stubborness and Standalone action as always … which is condemned… his way of tagging every US move as anti - terrorist is what is condemned… His falsifieed promises and improper facts is what is condemned…</p>

<p>to have to really charge on with a mission against terrorism we have to unite and not go individually… Bush never cared for the former… but id the later. without UN support …g8 consensus … which is again wrong…</p>

<p>Bush did stand up against terror but for his own interests…it was NEVER A FIGHT AGAINST TERROR BUT A FIGHT FOR SURVIVAL OF US DOMINANCE AND POWER…A FIGHT FOR USA…</p>

<p>these are but my views and i contend that each individual’s version of this same story is interpretted differently…and these arent based solely on stated truth but also on instinctive beliefs also…</p>

<p>SM
SMARTMIND</p>

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<p>flamed by the people on Tittie?
Well that would be a bit lame wouldn’t it. I began simply because I thought this might make for an interesting debate, and since noone was taking the gauntlet, I spoke up for Dubya. If anyone resorted to simple name-calling or abuse, behind the safety of their computers and possible anonymity, that would simply be lame and a sad end to a truly stimulating debate. </p>

<p>The fact is that this is a matter of opinion. To put oneself is his shoes through the events of that last few years would be to delve into one’s soul and discover oneself. I think I would have had the same attitude in his place, but taken very different steps, which would take a great deal of thought to chalk out. </p>

<p>Amidst all the spaces, smartmind you make some valid points. However most of them are normative statements, as you yourself declare. </p>

<p>And haval, I agree going into Iraq was a blunder. Its been a while since I heard anyone condone the war. I would have thought Vietnam was lesson enough. I don’t understand your reference to the Indian Army. Would you or you would not feel more comfortable with the support of the biggest super-power in the world, in tackling terrorism. </p>

<p>Havaldaar-- “My example with Lala Lajpat Rai was meant to show that even though to the West, some Arabs appear to be terrorists, to Arabs those guys are freedom fighters. Eventually history will decide, but for now the least we can do, is see to it that Bush doesn’t go around invading just whosoever he pleases.”</p>

<p>Are you suggesting that the people involved in the acts that the West terms ‘Terrorist’ can possibly be considered to be freedom fighters, in the same way as that of the great Indian fighters of yesteryear? And your solution seems to be to sit back and let things happen. Odd.</p>

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<p>well… I condemnn personal attacks and name calling quite equally … We shudnt go in that part of what i call unparliamentary style of debating for that instead of propagatig our views to the forum works more as an Proactive negative image builder for the subject discussed…there is no justification but amidst this revelation of events … sum points were highly justified also which stand as firm as ever without any argumentative litigations or unsupportive digressions…</p>

<p>among those are points specifically made on this page… in 4 distinct posts…</p>

<p>note::Shabin . i didnt like what u did wit the individual comments for that is pure mockery which i also condemn.</p>

<p>havaldar, i have to also refute to any corelation between the series of events dotting indian freedom movement and the repurcussion facing BUSH …</p>

<p>but again my 2 cents </p>

<p>SM</p>

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<p>the suicide bombers are considered heroes by many radical Muslims and maniacs by others…its nearly impossible to efface terrorism from the face of the earth…Bush may have made some wrong decisions but I believe he’s done a decent job…
Also, it is necessary that the US fight against terrorism and they should be assisted by other countries too…</p>

<p>BUSH - Beat Up Saddam Hussein
OSAMA - Oh ***** American Missiles Again</p>

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<p>Einstein dies and goes to heaven. At the Pearly Gates, Saint Peter tells him, “You look like Einstein, but you have NO idea the lengths that some people will go to sneak into Heaven. Can you prove who you really are?”
Einstein ponders for a few seconds and asks, “Could I have a blackboard and some chalk?”
Saint Peter snaps his fingers and a blackboard and chalk instantly appear. Einstein proceeds to describe with arcane mathematics and symbols his theory of relativity. Saint Peter is suitably impressed. “You really ARE Einstein!” he says. “Welcome to heaven!”
The next to arrive is Picasso. Once again, Saint Peter asks for credentials. Picasso asks, “Mind if I use that blackboard and chalk?”
Saint Peter says, “Go ahead.” Picasso erases Einstein’s equations and sketches a truly stunning mural with just a few strokes of chalk. Saint Peter claps. “Surely you are the great artist you claim to be!” he says. “Come on in!”
Then Saint Peter looks up and sees George W. Bush. Saint Peter scratches his head and says, “Einstein and Picasso both managed to prove their identity. How can you prove yours?”
George W. looks bewildered and says, “Who are Einstein and Picasso?”
Saint Peter sighs and says, “Come on in, George.”</p>