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<p>“Are you suggesting that the people involved in the acts that the West terms ‘Terrorist’ can possibly be considered to be freedom fighters, in the same way as that of the great Indian fighters of yesteryear? And your solution seems to be to sit back and let things happen. Odd”</p>
<p>Pre-independance, Indians considered freedom fighters as heroes, but the British booked them under sedition, even moderates like Nehru were jailed. At the time when almost all Indians considered the Brits as oppressors, would they have been happy or sad when a few revolutionaries blew up white officers? They would have been happy and proud. But to the British, the revolutionaries would have been murderers and terrorists. Its not much different now.</p>
<p>Does this mean we sit back and let them do whatever they want…I never said that. But it doesn’t mean that an entire population suffers for the action of a few. Bush should have acted on concrete evidence and not on personal enmity or a hunch. Afghanistan was handled decently but Iraq was totally nonsensical.</p>
<p>“Would you or you would not feel more comfortable with the support of the biggest super-power in the world, in tackling terrorism.”</p>
<p>I don’t see how they’re helping us.Is it by acting like Pakistan is a great unblemished country, by turning a blind eye to Indian proof of ISI backed terrorist camps, or by proclaimng Musharraff-the guy who everyone knows was responsible for Kargil,a buddy. Or maybe its by supplying the Pakis with F15s to use against us.</p>
<p>And yeah you can get flamed by people here on tittie Its really fun actually, messing with their minds. You missed some of my more brilliantly provocative thread. Most of them are gone now.</p>
<p>basically…Bush seemed a right person to many because he supposedly removed Iraq from Saddam’s tyranny…but but but did he make them free…NO way in Hell…they are still subdued the only difference now is that they are subdued by Americans rather than Saddam…
Had bush been that benevolent he would just have removed saddam then framed a government and would have shifted away from Iraq…but no Bush didn’t want to fight tyranny or terrorism he just wanted the oil fields of Iraq and thats it…
Nothing has changed…it was the same story some years back when the British subdued Indians and the British public though showed supposedly deep interest for freeing India…No one ever did a damn thing…
Its just human nature…we want others to always be our slaves and same is the case for americans though they say a lot of thuings…when they go back home they still want to be the almighty people and want to be better than the rest…and we Asians have a knack of being submissive to them…</p>
<p>You know what the thing that bugs me most about our past and present is that its our own goddamn people who are the reasons for our failures. I mean they used to sing long live the queen when they should have been singing the national anthem…and now they enslave themselves to US when they should be criticising them…</p>
<p>haval, constantly referring to this as tittie implies that you have been spending far too much of your time on it… “flaming” someone, or to abuse or insult them through the internet medium, with the safety of one’s bedroom pc and anonymity, is really lame and pointless. Contrary to what most people who do in fact “flame”, in most cases, it does not succeed in “messing with people’s minds”. </p>
<p>Your reference to the Iraq war is noted, and yet I feel it necessary to point out that in a debate, once a point has been made and accepted, it is pointless to go on about it. I note your admission that Afghanistan, a tough situation for any leader, was indeed handled decently. </p>
<p>Your points about the USA’s negligence in relation to the ISI backed terrorists, are all valid. But I still find it hard to believe that anyone could prefer not to have big bad Uncle Sam on their side, if given the choice, as that was the only question posed. </p>
<p>Indian freedom fighters fought for the independence of their country from a foreign ruler- the British.
The terrorists who struck on 9/11 or 7/7 in London, seem to have had no nationalistic motive that could go even so far in justiying such an inhuman act. </p>
<p>“Indians considered freedom fighters as heroes”</p>
<p>Exactly mate. Terrorists run a campaign by which they terrorize the public into a state of fear and instablity. Indian freedom fighters had the support of the public, as you say so yourself. I think your comparison is shockingly inappropriate. Unless you have surprisingly confused the two different species: a 9/11 bomber… and an Iraqi fighter trying desperately to fight the American invaders. I can certainly see the possible similarities between the latter and our heroes of yesteryear. </p>
<p>“Does this mean we sit back and let them do whatever they want…I never said that.”</p>
<p>Well then you certainly implied it, by saying “even though to the West, some Arabs appear to be terrorists, to Arabs those guys are freedom fighters. Eventually history will decide.” I would infer from that, that you yourself are unsure how to classify these so-called terrorists. Letting history decide seems to be an extremely laissez-faire approach to the situation.</p>
<p>lets just get over this…leave the governing of US to US people…get to a good college…utilise their resources and get a damn job and live happily ever after.
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<p>hahaha well .sort of true… as the Debate has finally already come to a conclusion on a mass consensus… and which is a very moderately valid argument…both sides agreed and applauded for once again bringing in to this thread a charmind debate with sparkling issues and views… </p>
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<p>well… this DIAL up is slow…specially when u use it after 1 year of broadband heavy usage…:(:(</p>
<p>SM</p>
<p>Yes…Vampiro is right :)</p>
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I dont see why US would not supply F15s to Pakistan. It has always been Pakistan who has supported the US, it had been Musharaff, who supported the US war against terror, so its only fair that the US gives them something in return which, by the way, was a business deal. US owes nothing to India, and we should stop expecting any radical favors from the US!</p>
<p>Secondly, if anyone were in Bush’s seat, he would have done the same thing. You have to give a response to a terror strike that kills hundreds. Had there been another major terrorist strike in the US, the US economy would have been in shackles, at that point Bush had no other alternative but to wage a war against terror, and as others have said, this made the world a safer place.
Everyone here seems to agree that Afghanistan was a right decision, but I would say that he had to do something about Iraq, which would have become terrorists’ harbor. He had to do something about Saddam Hussein. Agreed his explicit reasons were wrong (WMDs), and he didn’t plan the follow up well enough but he had no other alernative.
Also, his acts with respect to Iran are justifiable as well. Iran cannot be allowed to have nukes especially when the guy ruling Iran says “Israel should be wiped off” and “The holocaust was a myth.” So, to conclude it, I support all his major foreign policy decisions.</p>
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Seriously? Seriously dude? You actually thought that you were messing with people’s minds? You think that people care about what happens over here? I am sorry, but as someone else pointed out, no one cares!</p>
<p>Adides, is it easier to get into Investment Banking through Operation Research Engg. or any Engg course accompanied with Economics?</p>
<p>At Princeton, almost all the ORFE majors get into investment banks, so i will have to say that it must be easier. But i know many non-orfe majors who are in top i-banks.
So it comes down to having the brains, being able to prove that you have the brains (presentation skills), quantitative skills, team worker and being interesting.
And i wont even say that an econ/finance minor is necessary as long as you have taken some relevant courses, because they are going to train you anyways. So do what you think you like, and dont do it for the job, because you might end up disliking the job itself.</p>
<p>Thank you Adides
Goldman Sachs is the best i-Bank, right?</p>
<p>i-Banks are too HOT for the very pay packet and remuneration offered to entry level freshman and high rise in the same in subsequent years… but well… a person with little interest in the field wud hardly ever be happy with even the high paypacket…</p>
<p>SM</p>
<p>Many I-Bankers, after working for 5-7 yrs in this field, go on to start their own Company… its a very good source for raising capital for one’s future enterprise.</p>
<p>“haval, constantly referring to this as tittie implies that you have been spending far too much of your time on it… “flaming” someone, or to abuse or insult them through the internet medium, with the safety of one’s bedroom pc and anonymity, is really lame and pointless. Contrary to what most people who do in fact “flame”, in most cases, it does not succeed in “messing with people’s minds”.”</p>
<p>Yeah maybe you’re right.I have been stuck at home for a long time,mind you.Ah but the thing is I never did the flaming, I just posted mildly insulting comments to which people reacted rather aggressively.</p>
<p>“Your reference to the Iraq war is noted, and yet I feel it necessary to point out that in a debate, once a point has been made and accepted, it is pointless to go on about it.”</p>
<p>Well yeah I haven’t been in many debates, so you would know best.</p>
<p>And what’s with all the formal talk, sphynx?You forgotten me?Trying to make a point or something?</p>
<p>Oh by the way, does anyone know what you put for emergency funds in the financial statement?</p>
<p>depends… if u hav a source of funds in the US once you arrive there … put that on the form… if not dont worry … You can alsways make sumthing lik a Global Savings accont at Intl.banks… afterwards…</p>
<p>This aint a requirement for admision and financial aid but is a requirement for ur VISA proceedings…</p>
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<p>I see, well it was my friend’s question and he was pretty worried about it.</p>
<p>Anyone got into MIT, Princeton, Harvard, Stanford, Yale yet ?</p>
<p>yep Saatvik from TiT (well actually he is from Delhi) got into Stanford on full financial aid SCEA.</p>