How do you figure? I’m seeing quite the opposite occurring – women are being praised for coming out. If you have any examples of modern day women facing “horrible abuse”, please share.
And if by “horrible abuse” you mean skepticism, that’s different.
Probably refers to doxxing which already happened to the first woman, who was 14. @fractalmstr
Maybe where you are, @fractalmstr, these women are being praised, but that’s not true in their home state.
It might not rise to the level of “horrible” in everyone’s eyes, but being labeled a liar, a jezebel, and/or a democratic-operative-for-hire are what these women are dealing with right here in their communities. The people are not on their side.
Also, one politician in AL suggested she should be charged with a crime for waiting so long to report.
Let’s see. If I come forward, I’ll be accused of being an attention whore, a jezebel, a liar, a tool of Democrats. An elected official in my state will say I should be arrested. My address, my workplace, a recent picture of me and my financial history will be published online.
That doesn’t sound attractive. In fact, it sounds horrible.
In trying to understand the support for Moore, I’m reminded of our alderman here who has been in office for decades.
The rumor mill is full of sordid stories about him, going all the way back to when he was a gym teacher, coach, and driver’s ed instructor at the HS. As alderman he has gotten into physical altercations with citizens in the town, as if he thinks he has a police badge and can do whatever he wants.
I was talking to someone who had run against him & lost, in an election several years ago, and the losing candidate said, “He’s a bully, but people think ‘He’s our bully. He’ll fight for us.’ And they re-elect him year after year.”
It’s still very, very hard to wrap my head around, but I thought that about summed it up for our ward.
http://winwithjmc.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Alabama-Senate-Executive-Summary-General-Election-Poll-2.pdf indicates that support for Moore is only slightly worse for women than men.
It wasn’t that long ago that powerful people were saying things like “Drag a 100 bill through a trailer park, you never know what you’ll find”.
So no given the treatment of women who came forward in the past, I do not blame these women for keeping silent and not taking the backlash.
“Advocates for assault survivors fear the message that sends. “To attack women in the horrifically cruel way that Trump has verbally attacked women is incredibly damaging,” Mike Domitrz, the executive director of anti-sexual assault organization The Date Safe Project, said in an interview. “Survivors are watching this unfold, and many might now say ‘I don’t want to come forward because I fear that kind of degradation,’ or ‘That’s confirmation of why I didn’t come forward because this is how badly survivors are treated.’””
“So far, backlash against Trump’s accusers appears to have taken a toll on at least one of the women. Mindy McGillivray, a woman who alleges Trump once groped her at his Mar-a-Lago Club in Florida, told The Palm Beach Post that concern for her family’s safety is enough to make her want to leave the country. According to the Post, since she came forward with her story, McGillivray has seen cars driving around her house, and “looking, slowing down right at the house.””
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/trump-women-sexual-assault/504446/
“In the fall of 2016, Harvey Weinstein set out to suppress allegations that he had sexually harassed or assaulted numerous women. He began to hire private security agencies to collect information on the women and the journalists trying to expose the allegations. According to dozens of pages of documents, and seven people directly involved in the effort, the firms that Weinstein hired included Kroll, which is one of the world’s largest corporate-intelligence companies, and Black Cube, an enterprise run largely by former officers of Mossad and other Israeli intelligence agencies. Black Cube, which has branches in Tel Aviv, London, and Paris, offers its clients the skills of operatives “highly experienced and trained in Israel’s elite military and governmental intelligence units,” according to its literature.”
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/harvey-weinsteins-army-of-spies
“Undocumented women face unique struggles in seeking justice and protection from perpetrators of sexual violence. In addition to the stigma attached to reporting and the fear that they won’t be believed, they also face the threat of deportation for themselves or their families if they file a report with a law enforcement agency.”
“In March, for example, a North Carolina district attorney refused to sign a U-visa application for a pregnant woman who had reported an assault by her boyfriend. On the document rejecting the application, part of which was reprinted in The Charlotte Observer, Locke Bell, the county district attorney, wrote: “assault on a Latino by a Latino is not the rational[e] for the statue.” He later told the paper that he would only certify applications from Latinos victimized by non-Latinos.”
“A 2013 study from the International Women’s Media Foundation found that nearly two-thirds of women journalists have experienced some form of harassment or abuse in relation to their work. The IWMF survey includes behavior ranging from verbal sexual harassment to more severe behaviors such as intimidation and sexual and physical violence.The majority of the 822 women polled by the organization didn’t report what happened. The ever-changing nature of the media industry, including lack of job security, “absolutely” leads to fewer women telling their managers or other authorities about sexual harassment due to the fear of retaliation, says Elisa Lees Muñoz, executive director of the IWMF.”
http://www.newsweek.com/sexual-harassment-women-journalists-stories-491942
If you look at these video interviews, how many of the interviewees are Asian American? African American? College students? Over the age of 60? Over 70-75?
Do you think there’s any sort of demographic skew? Or are you seeing only a specific group (that, perhaps, you may not recognize as specific because you subconsciously lumped all Alabamans in the White Fundamentalist category?)
All but 4 counties voted for Moore in the Republican primary. Those counties were Jefferson, Shelby, Madison,and Sumter.
Jefferson (Birmingham) will go to Doug Jones in the special election. Madison (Huntsville) may go to Jones due to low turnout. Sumter is a tiny county that will be of little consequence but usually goes to the Democratic candidate.
Montgomery county (Montgomery) and a few small surrounding counties will go to Doug Jones
All the rest of the counties will go to Moore by huge margins. Moore will win.
^^^Now, that’s depressing. I hope you’re wrong.
MSNBC says two more women have just come out with allegations about Moore. Here they are: http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/new_roy_moore_accuser_he_didnt.html#incart_most-comments
What about Tuscaloosa and the university? Surely there aren’t many people there willing to vote for this man?
Republicans wouldn’t vote for Doug Jones but they surely can stay home.
And of course the Trump/Hannity factor may matter.
Not sure which interviews you are referring to, but Alabama demographics include:
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/AL
Of course, survey respondents and voters may have different demographics from the overall population.
Just read a poll saying that Moore is trailing by 14%
I’m waiting for fivethirtyeight to weigh in before I believe anything about polling.
Yeah, the pollsters take too few samples, I think.
538 article from 2 days ago.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-roy-moore-could-lose-alabamas-senate-race/
@traveler98 : I know she said that, but if he denies it, it becomes part of the he-said, she-said. And, honestly, if there were one thing I doubted in all these stories, it would be that. The consistent picture painted by the other women who have come forward is that Moore may have singled them out and groomed them before they turned 16, but he waited until they were 16 to do whatever he thought “dating” entailed. It looks like he was very aware of both his own proclivities and the legal constraints on them.
I haven’t bothered to look to see if knowledge that the girl was 14, or due care to make certain she was 16, is relevant to the crime of statutory sexual assault in Alabama in 197X – probably it isn’t, although it may well and should matter regarding sentencing – but I would be surprised if it were possible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Moore knew she was 14.
No one needs proof beyond reasonable doubt to decide that Moore isn’t worthy of being elected to the U.S. Senate. Believe me, I’m not advocating that anyone should vote for the guy, or even shake his hand. But it’s easy for me to say that; that’s what I thought a month ago. I’m just acknowledging some discomfort with convicting anyone (including Roy Moore, I guess) in the court of public opinion on evidence that probably would not sustain a conviction in an actual criminal proceeding. And if someone is nuts enough to overlook his contempt for law and the Constitution, his lying, his sanctimony, his general clown act, and his clear predilection for teenage girls when he was in his 30s and working as a prosecutor . . . I’m not going to think a whole lot less of them if they continue to support him notwithstanding what has been reported so far.
MODERATOR’S NOTE:
As fascinating as the Bob Menendez case is, it has zero to do with the issues here. If one wants to start a thread on that subject, feel free. How long it will remain open is a different question.
Similarly, as stated before, let’s stay away from new allegations against any person not named Roy Moore.