^And in any of those cases, the women have no real grounds to object if their fellow citizens opt to elect Moore to the Senate.
Why is that?
Your query in #625 was “why should the rest of us then?”
What can they say?
I make a distinction between adults of a similar age and much younger people than the perpetrator. Both are crimes but one is way worse. I believe the law also does and Roy Moore knows it since after the encounter with the 14 year old he seemed to wait till his victims were 16 and over - even if 16-32 is not better morally speaking.
When it comes to adult women, there are still people out there who have a vague notion they asked for it, or sent mixed signals (or whatever wording of the same idea). However there’s a difference even among those who don’t believe women in general, and there’s a difference between voting for a potential criminal accused sexual assault and voting for a possible pervert who preys on kids.
With Roy Moore, the same people who can easily consider that responsibility is shared, have to discard the allegations outright (ie., they made it all up) because they can’t say the same about a grown man and a teen. They know that if they admit to themselves it could have happened, there’s no excuse, no rationale, they cannot vote for him. So they choose to believe that they’re paid operatives or outright lying.
Republicans who believe the now-women will not vote for the Democrat, but they’ll stay home. Party affiliation is a strong pull. It’d be exceptional if people switched, even over this.
The WH reaction though makes me think that more people than those interviewed on TV are taking this “stay home” position than previously thought: would the WH take position if the seat weren’t truly at risk?
Just saw on TV that a tabloid has for headlines “I’m with the Perv”. That’s not a good look.
My guess is that 'I’m with the thug" doesn’t play the same as “I’m with the perv”.
The question is not “why would we?” but “why SHOULD we?”
That’s not the question you asked but no matter I would answer it the same way – see my #627.
You knew we were in trouble when Kelly Anne Conway a grown woman and mother replied that they need to vote for the tax bill despite that the vote would be coming from a child molesting sexual predator. The same when an elementary school principal in Alabama who is with teachers and children all day long dismissed the accusations by saying that they date from decades ago which apparently was okay in her book.
I heard one Moore supporter say that voting for Jones is voting for baby murder. I think abortion is the root of the continued votes for Moore.
Yep, @Snowball City, that’s exactly what is going on here in Alabama. Most conservatives see Jones as a hard left Democrat. Not trying to be political at all, but Jones’ past statements affirm their beliefs that he wants unlimited access to abortion at any point in a pregnancy. They see this as murder, and they justify voting for a pedophile (although many simply don’t believe the accusations) by telling themselves that at least they aren’t voting for a murderer.
So, basically, potential babies trump actual kids.
(OK, bad attempt at humor)
I’m still hoping. There’s three weeks to go (2??) so I can keep hoping lots of Republican and independent voters write in Luther Strange.
Roy Moore’s Communications Director Resigns Weeks Before Special Election
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/11/roy-moores-communications-director-resigns.html
No attempt, myos. That’s dead on. His voters believe that abortion (a right that’s been upheld by scotus) is a bigger deal than molesting real, live, actual children.
Abortion is absolutely the driving decision. I am staunchly pro choice and come from a pro choice family. I don’t pretend to understand how the rights of a fetus can trump a man who repeatedly molested children. And that is the root of why I cannot fathom how anyone could vote for someone like Moore.
I still firmly believe Moore will win. The polls will be incorrect because few want to admit to pollsters that they’re voting for a serial sexual predator of children.
I never saw any of the accusers say they voted for Moore. They said they voted for Trump.
^very true.
They said they voted for Trump, not for Moore. And for Alabama Republicans, which they say they are, that would say a lot.
It would seem logical though, since it seems that Moore’s campaigns accross the years prompted some of their later confidences (just like seeing a politician on TV brought back stories I had been told and positively knew were true; I hadn’t thought of them but his exposure in the media for his campaign made the hypocrisy unbearable: I told relatives that the politician, whom they really liked, couldn’t be trusted due to his aggressive sexual behavior including toward girls; they didn’t like it, but they trusted my sources and although they found him intelligent never voted for him and diligently went to all primaries where he was so that his score would be as low as possible).
No, they never said they voted for Moore. I had to re-read @sylvan’s post a few times before responding. Her logic as I understand it is that since the women voted for Trump who was accused of sexual assault, then why should the rest of us have a problem doing the same – voting for Moore who is also accused of sexual assault.
I don’t agree with that logic but that’s how I interpreted the post.
UCBalum explained that you can see things differently when they apply to you (accuser) and a random woman, or when they apply to a kid v. an adult.
Not seeing a difference between the question in both of my posts, but whatever.
Not my logic, it seemed to be what the president himself was saying. That these women valued his agenda more than they reviled his past, and if they did, then maybe is should be ok for the rest of us as well.
His logic is his own and is more than shaky. He also seems to believe that Moore is innocent because he denied everything.
The calculus that people use while voting can be complex. But when it gets down to two choices we often pick the least bad rather than our favorite, because neither is a favorite.