xiggi, when you or someone you care about has struggled with attitudes like that every day of their lives, you tend to have strong feelings on the subject.
Do the rights of transgender people cause problems to you in your daily life? I can’t imagine how they could. Do hurtful comments and actions cause pain in the daily life of transgender people? I assure you that it does, every day, in innumerable small and large ways.
“think that the fact that many women are accepting of their aging bodies doesn’t mean that they are on the bag lady track, it just means that they are happy with themselves, even though they don’t look near as good as they used to”
Caitlyn HAS no “used to.”
Is there anyone/group/class/demographic that doesn’t have hurtful comments and actions directed at them on a regular basis? Living life with a goal of daily resentment against someone who did or said something to trigger/hurt/insult/disrespect me is such a waste of time.
Life’s hard, get a helmet.
“I guess in real life they’d run in horror from wrinkled, greying, a little overweight me.”
I’m blessed with good skin and don’t Botox or anything, but I moisturize my face religiously and stay out of the sun so I don’t wrinkle. I am starting to go gray so I highlight my hair. I an certainly not as thin as I was at 20, but I work out to keep good muscle tone and stay fit and attractive. Why should I not try? I’m worth it.
"But I’ll bet there’s not a lot of people admitting to massive amounts of facial surgery to completely change the way they look. "
Sigh. the rest of us also aren’t transitioning from male to female. I already LOOK female.
Kim K was in our city yesterday doing a big promo for some sort of energy drink. People were crowding the sidewalks to see her. I saw this on the evening news. Her dress was unbelievable- painted on and looked like some sort of plastic material. Showed everything, needless to say. This was daytime in downtown Nashville. I don’t find that attractive at all.
Compared to Kendall’s GQ cover, Caitlyn’s outfit is downright matronly.
http://www.gq.com/blogs/the-feed/2015/04/kendall-jenner-gq-cover-bikini.html
Kim has made a lot of money modeling and being paid for appearances and for having so many twitter followers. Some of you are down right giddy that she doesn’t look as good as she used to, as if it’s the clothes she’s wearing, it isn’t the clothes, she gained some weight. She is still pretty but she’s not a curvy as she used to be.
She’s had one or two kids now and that can happen. I am not going to fat shame her either. It is natural for a woman to gain weight after giving birth and women can be just as beautiful, or moreso, after doing so. But to compare her now to when she was in her prime isn’t right. In her prime, before she had kids, she was smoking hot. Playboy doesn’t come knocking on your door and offering you more money than most people make in a year to pose if you aren’t looking pretty good. If Playboy bothers you, change the reference to Vogue or Cosmo or some other magazine.
You can’t deny that Kim resonates with men.
And it surely isn’t the clothes.
And the same can be said for the other K girls except maybe Chloe.
So, can we be honest about why some people hurl insults at them?
I doubt it.
But cheerleaders get hated by other girls too. Beauty contest girls get hated by the same girls. And it isn’t because of the way they are dressing, since we are being honest and all. We are being honest, right?
If some beauty contest girl messes up a question it will be all over the Internet with people ragging on her for how dumb she is. That is jealousy. Let’s be honest.
So, look who is comparing abusing family members to transitioning gender… why its the Duggar’s family pastor. http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/duggar-family-pastor-likens-caitlyn-jenners-sins-against-god-to-abusing-children-and-family-members/
“Sigh. the rest of us also aren’t transitioning from male to female. I already LOOK female.”
As a man, Bruce had very feminine features. More so than plenty of women that I know. With just a wig and makeup as Caitlin, she would be a very attractive woman. She certainly has the right to spend her money to get whatever work she wants done, however, it is not a sin to have an opinion that one is unimpressed by women who have way too much work done. It is merely an opinion.
Post #247, whatever. Please don’t assume you speak for everybody. K doesn’t resonate with some men.
"You can’t deny that Kim resonates with men.
And it surely isn’t the clothes."
It must be the butt. Not many women can balance a champagne class on their butts. Now that is impressive. I am sure we all must be quite jealous of that feat.
Not sure who you’re hanging out with, but I can’t remember a single guy I know talking about Kim, looking at pictures of her, “resonating” with her. I didn’t know anything about her until I saw the SNL skits. Now when I see them on the entertainment news, I still am mystified at why they are news at all. I am so confused. Is it like watching a train wreck, Jerry Springer, what is the interest in these people?
^^ or women! I’m sure she is regarded by many as “smokin’ hot”, but that isn’t the look everyone finds appealing. In fact, if I could change myself (or could have done so 30 years or more ago) to look anyway I wanted to look, the Kim K and other K look would be near the bottom of my list.
This is just deliberate ignorance. Anti-science nonsense.
Well, MOWC, according to some here, if you don’t acknowledge that Kim is the ultimate in hot, it’s just because you must be jealous. Though the reality is, 100% of here would like to have your running physique, and no doubt would far and away choose your body over Kims.
The, “women are jealous” line is just another way to put women down, and be dismissive of their opinions.
If you like someone whose shadow from their body parts can provide enough shade to protect you from the sun, go for it.
BTW, I forgot to put the first line from the article from the Duggar family pastor:
So many assumptions on this thread.
I will give my take. Personally, I don’t like activities/fashion choices that are designed not for the woman doing them, but to appeal to men. For example, if I had a daughter, I would not be thrilled if she chose to be a cheerleader, cheering for the guy’s football team (I wouldn’t stop her, but it wouldn’t be my choice for her - motivation for doing it matters, but it’s definitely not an activity I am fond of). I am not a fan of fashion choices that tend to be sexual either (and again, some women may just like it, and it’s fine, but you can’t deny the overwhelming need to impress men). Why? My firm opinion is women (especially younger women/girls) need to stop worrying so much about being attractive to men/finding a mate/etc. I don’t find it good to think that way. Jealous? Not so much. I am pretty sure I have the right ‘features’ to get the ‘hot’ look if I straightened (dyed?) my hair, wore make up, etc. It would not be me - I like my natural beauty.
At the same time, I also don’t like women hating on women like Kim K. Being nasty to another woman whose fashion choices you don’t agree with is petty. And there are ways to discuss this without being nasty. Believe me, I don’t agree with glamorizing women for dressing in really revealing outfits or measuring their self-worth by how many guys find them ‘hot’ (and personally, I wouldn’t want the type of guys it attracts). But again, being nasty to the women who may do that is not the answer. You don’t teach/encourage self-respect by putting down the look of the person you don’t like.
Interesting how often this has gotten back to Kim and her reputed desirability. For the record, I much prefer my wife’s runner’s body in her late 50s (even absent the fact that my wife’s intelligence and humor can be “seen”).
Fwiw, I find Blythe Danner much more attractive than her daughter, Gwyneth Paltrow. And don’t get me started on Annette Bening 
But, De gustibus non est disputandum
For you, perhaps. Maybe not for her. Maybe since, as you put it, she missed out on all that before, she is going to revel in it for the rest of her life.
GoNoles, you sure have a (redacted)-on for Kim Kardashian.
There are plenty of celebrities who I find beautiful or that I’d like to look like if I had a magic wand. I think Grace Kelly was beautiful, Cybill Shepherd in her day. I think Kate Middleton is gorgeous. I like the aesthetic of Audrey Hepburn and Angelina Jolie.
The kind of men in whose eyes I would want to be viewed as attractive just don’t find Kim K all that attractive or hot. Sorry. You clearly do, great , but don’t project your taste to all men.
You also don’t get that many watch the Kardashians because they’re kind of a train wreck.