Not perilous to criticize them at all. Have at it. Lots of people dislike them. That doesn’t bother me at all. I am sure they are crying all the way to the bank. Actually, I am sure they don’t care.
My only point is tearing other people down does not in and of itself make one better. I could, for example, hate tall people or athletic people or whatever, but that would not make me taller or more athletic. One can dislike the K’s for any number of reasons but let’s not pretend they are not physically attractive.
So what?
What’s wrong with being hot?
And by the way, Dr. Google, you might not find the K’s attractive and you might not be jealous of them but lots of other guys do find them attractive. That’s fine either way. I just think it’s a little weird when a female attacks another female for being attractive but tries oh so hard to dress it up as something else by calling them scandalous or trashy or some other code word for “I am seriously jealous.” It is the same reason some people hate cheerleaders or beauty contest contestants. So they are attacked for being shallow or dumb or dressing sexy or whatever else.
And xiggi society’s obsession with celebrities isn’t new. Celebrities have been getting unearned attention since caveman times. The only thing new is perhaps more leisure time and social media.
"Many of us women as we have gotten older, have gotten more accepting of how we look, even while getting fatter and more wrinkled. It’s not so important to look good, and we can still be happy. Needing to look as attractive as possible and being insecure about it is the curse of young women. I feel like poor Caitlin has missed out on much of the joy of aging as a woman, where you don’t have to try to look young and beautiful "
I do not know which poster wrote the above. I think it rings true.
"As women get older they get more accepting of how we look as we age". ...Yes, I think that is true. I am not fighting my wrinkles every day. It is me, my face, and I still look awesome wrinkles and all.
2… “It is not so important to look good and we can still be happy”… Yes, I think that is true too. I used to be much more concerned and worried about my appearance. I used to get upset when I had a bad haircut. Now I can laugh about it, deal with the haircut and wait for it to grow back without being self conscious.
3.“Needing to look as attractive as possible and being insecure about it is the curse of young women”
I was insecure as a younger woman. Having to wear what was in fashion at the time was important. Now I can be very happy with my own style. I am much more secure in my own look.
I have told my daughter the best part of getting older was the increase in my self esteem. My self esteem is not at all based on what other people think of me or especially the way I look. It is a wonderfully internal measure that I am great just the way I am.
Do I want to look and dress nice. Sure I do. But my “nice” has nothing to do with anyones opinion but my own.
"I don’t find the K’s clan attractive, I’m not jealous of them. "
Oh come on now, you must be! If you aren’t completely enamored of the beauty of another woman, and maybe even think they’re trashy, you have to be jealous. If you think that big butt of Kims is not wonderful, but HUGE, you’re jealous!
Talking about jealous, I am jealous of men as they age. When they start getting wrinkles, they don’t go crazy with the peels and facials, they just grow facial hair. When their hair starts turning grey, they let it. They don’t spend $100 every couple of months to cover it up. And they still look great. Aging becomes many men, and it rarely becomes women. We spend tons of money and effort trying to fight it, though it definitely bothers me less than it used to (maybe because I need glasses too?). One day soon Caitlin will realize the irony that she traded her easily attainable, casual good looks for a constant struggle. And without the best possible photographers and the perfect angles, in the harsh light of a Kardashian producers reality show, she now has a tough act to follow. Will this be a classy show, or another Kardashian freak show?
I am not yet free, but I can see that I’m getting closer to it every day. I still make a pretty good effort, but what I cannot change does not bother me like it used to. I forget what age it is that people have optimum levels of happiness, but I think it might be somewhere in their sixties?
Seattle is a wonderful place for a woman to live, in that respect. Women are very fit, but many women wear little to no makeup, and don’t dress up. Some do, and it’s fine, but it’s not the norm. It’s not that they are letting themselves go, but they are not going through massive gyrations to dress up to go to the grocery store. In fact, you can roll right out of bed, put on your athletic clothes, and go most anywhere you want. And people will be completely nice to you. How you look doesn’t matter. They figure you’re probably off to go running or hiking…whether you are or not. It is completely different where I used to live in the Mid South, where they would ignore you if you weren’t dressed up. My dad commented that they were the fattest women there he’d ever seen, but they were all done up in fancy clothes and makeup. It’s interesting, the regional differences. I know where I fit.
Thank you for your awesome post, Sax! The nasty judgmentalism of some of the other posts is shocking. I guess in real life they’d run in horror from wrinkled, greying, a little overweight me.
I think some of the posters interpreted what I said as declaring that women should just give up, wear a moo moo and look like a bag lady. And that’s not what I meant. People can do whatever they want. If they want to go through great lengths, fine, and it’s fortunate for them if they have the money. But if they don’t want to, that’s fine too. I think that the fact that many women are accepting of their aging bodies doesn’t mean that they are on the bag lady track, it just means that they are happy with themselves, even though they don’t look near as good as they used to. I don’t see what is wrong with that.
I can’t spend all day on this thread but I do want to clarify my earlier post comparing some reactions here and on the Duggar thread–
Again, I was NOT referring to the abuse that took place. Of course that is awful (though we do not know the “details” of it… some seem to think outright rape occurred). I would never argue that or think it was inappropriate to express that opinion.
AND I am NOT saying I have any issues with Catlyn Jenner…I am very, very happy for her and I think she is gorgeous. Frankly, I wish I looked half that glamorous. And I do “try”…just, apparently, not hard enough? lol
What I take issue with is that the some of the same posters who took the opportunity on the Duggar thread to belittle Christians/fundamentalists/evangelicals (what ever label you want to use) for various reasons (having nothing to do with molestation) are here making it known that people are not allowed to voice a negative opinion about Jenner’s decision/appearance/whatever. Some people have very deep-seated notions about this (I don’t AGREE with those notions, but they are there), and I think they are entitled to those opinions. And this is where they can express them, right? Preferably without being ridiculed or belittled.
post #228, I’m good looking young or old, with or without make up, haha. How is that for both crowds? The ones that believing in make up and the one that don’t. I died my hair once every 3-4 months but that’s it.
I cringe when I think of surgery of any kind, I only do it if it’s necessary. Not sure I would look better or worse. I just want to be me.
Speaking of mirrors: There are some hotel mirrors that I just want to rip off the wall and take home with me. Gosh, I look good!
and then there are those dressing room mirrors…where I run from the room screaming…"Who the hell is that in the mirror!!! OMG…get me out of here. What WAS that!!!
How do those stores sell any clothes at all? They ought to have a defibulator hanging on the dressing room wall, for petes sake.
Someone should come up with a broad brimmed hat that bathes you in the best light possible. That’ll sell like crazy.
No kidding, sax! What are they thinking? There is an occasional (and I’m talking really rare) store where the light is just perfect, and I end up buying a bunch of clothes. Christopher Banks is one of those stores. Then I recently went to Nordstroms to buy something, and the light was AWFUL! I told the salespeople, what are they thinking here, they are selling expensive clothes to older women. Are they crazy? I must admit, I think I’ve only bought one bathing suit in the last 30 years. I never had to, because a friend of mine kept just passing me down all her cast off bathing suits, so I’d never have to try them on in a dressing room. But now we aren’t close anymore, so no more bathing suits!
But as far as hotel mirrors—some of those hotels have those magnified makeup mirrors. Okay, who wants to see THAT?
Well, allow me to disagree about the “peril” to dare to take an opposing view. Let’s be honest about it. What is the reaction to an opinion that I would call PC that consists of “good for her” or “at last, SHE has the courage to stop living a life of lies” or anything close to a show of support? The reaction will be to be seen as a supportive and reasonable human being.
On the other hand, what would be the reaction --here or elsewhere-- to an opinion that Bruce is just a deluded freak who has more money than sense, or anything in the same derogatory vein, including referring to him as a … he?
In the end, it is just easier to either applaud her, him, or it, or ignore the news entirely, or making sure to keep one’s opinion in petto. That is the way it works!
post #234, when I was younger I did have one of those mirrors. It made me look tall and thin. I was already thin but the tall part was what I liked. It did give me a false sense of self confidence, but heck it worked.
There’s a reason why the K’s are some of the most photographed women on earth and it isn’t because they are lucky. They are attractive to put it mildly."
Oh please. Not even remotely jealous. The Ks are moderately attractive and have an overdone aesthetic, with clothing choices that don’t flatter their natural curves. They’d actually be more attractive IMO if they had a more classic, regal aesthetic with simpler lines and colors. You could do a lot with dark coloring like that if you went with simpler cuts and a less- makeup aesthetic.
And I do “try”…just, apparently, not hard enough? lol