Take a look at the Caitlyn Jenner fb page - more photos from the Vanity Fair shoot - some that I personally like better than the cover photo.
Caitlyn isnât smiling In any of the picturesâŠ
The fb page has changed - but here are more pictures:
https://www.google.com/search?q=caitlyn+jenner+photos&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari
Maybe the other photos werenât suitable as cover photos, but I definitely like some of them better than the one they chose. I thought this one was good:
The oddest take Iâve seen on Jennerâs Vanity Fair cover is from a group of so-called âMenâs Rights Activistsâ blaming everything on the âruthless agents of Zion,â as quoted in this post on an anti-MRA website:
*2015 is the year of the continuation of that same old sick postmodern cultural agenda rammed down Americaâs (and by cultural imperialism extension â the worldâs) throats.
Unsurprisingly, executing that funny business are ruthless agents of Zion.
The Vanity Fair cover, with that quasi-ambiguous exposed crotch shown front and center in our faces was photographed by Leibovitz (notice how they couldnât cover that thing in dress or skirt, as that would not make as strong â â â â â â â â impact.) While glowing, indeed gushing article was written by Bissinger* (motherâs maiden name Lebenthal). The Vanity Fair magazine is owned by parent company Conde Nast. The chairman of Conde Nast is Samuel Irving Newhouse Jr. (motherâs maiden name Epstein).*
Iâm always impressed by how powerful weâre supposed to be, but promoting Caitlyn Jenner wasnât even mentioned in the memo I received last week updating me on the current international Jewish agenda.
How does NOT accepting this choice manifest itself? Would you spit on her if she walked by? Yell out âHey Bruce! I refuse to call you Caitlyn.â? Refuse to serve her in your restaurant? Refuse to sell her womenâs clothing in your shop/department? What?
A relative of mine made this transition about 10 years ago. (Also happened to be named Bruce. . .) He was married, a father of two. He got divorced before he started the transition to female. Had the surgery. (I thought it was significant that he decided to do this after his mother died. He was very close to his mother, and I wonder if she would have accepted this.) His D is accepting, but keeps her distance. S cut off contact. (son was in late teens at the time. . .) I see him/her (have a hard time thinking of âherâ as female because I grew up knowing him as male) very infrequently. She can pass for a woman, but the voice still sounds the same/male to me. If you had never met him/her as a male, you probably wouldnât guess this was a trans person. His ex-wife remarried. Again, it is hard to understand how someone can be married for 20 years, a father, etc. and be âfemale.â I admit I really donât understand, and imagine that a lot of people feel as I doânot hostile, but uncomfortable, and just trying to be polite. Wanting to know why/how, not getting it, and having a really awkward time with names/pronouns. Lots of unanswered questions that would not be polite to ask.
Zionists? Puhleeze, you know whoâs really to blame for the Jenner cover.
Thanks, Obama.
Just imagine how stunning we all could look with several hours of facial plastic surgery, an excellent makeup artist, award winning photographer and a boob job. More power to her, but I sincerely doubt this is representative of most peopleâs lives. Ah, the things you can do with money!
All I can say, atomom, is that back in the day, before the Internet, when almost no information about trans people was available, there were a lot of trans people who thought they were practically the only person in the world who felt like they did, and got married sincerely believing that marriage would âcureâ them. (Just as G and L people sometimes got married for similar reasons, even though there was far more information out there.) And even though that kind of âcureâ never really works, there are many who actively struggled for years and years to suppress their feelings (especially if they had children), before eventually realizing that they couldnât change who they were â and, eventually, started to accept themselves.
As for the voice, thatâs the hardest thing to change convincingly without a lot of training, if youâre a trans woman. Thereâs no viable surgery for it! Caitlynâs voice, from what little Iâve heard of it, still sounds almost exactly the same as Bruceâs. I was extremely lucky that I didnât have to change the way I spoke, since people almost always called me âmaâamâ on the phone, my entire adult life. (Many years before I transitioned, I once got in a huge argument with a cold-calling salesman who repeatedly demanded to speak to my âhusband,â and refused to believe that I was, indeed, "Mr. L. " I was simultaneously flattered and seriously annoyed.)
http://www.drspiegel.com/ffs-surgery-photos/
Before and after (within one year) photos of various people who had facial feminization surgery (FFS) - interesting!
@atomom, I am going to look up the book mentioned in post #94, and maybe rent Transamerica. I am sure there is a lot written out there. What is the best? Some on this forum must be Gender Studies authorities (or have acquaintances who are). Any suggestions on how to rapidly âget schooledâ on these questions?
I overheard a woman at the gym today commenting on the story on the TV. She was about 55-60 (hard to tell, maybe older) with below shoulder length golden blonde hair in big hot roller curls. She had an extremely thin build, no butt, bony arms, protruding shoulder blades, and big shiny 36DDD after-marked headlights strapped on the front. She had that pulled tight Joker mouth that doesnât occur in nature and supremely smooth facial skin for a woman of a certain age. Unnatural? I wanted to ask her. Pot . . . meet kettle.
I am curious, and I donât want to pry, so ignore please and forgive me if I am. But I know there is a lot of âmentalâ work that happens before the physical. Do all therapists see this as a transition? Do some try to âtreatâ the dysphoria? I know you are only one data point, but maybe you have other info? Iâve heard some therapists say this is not unlike an anorexic, and they donât want to encourage the body dysmorphia.
But it must go beyond that, or no therapist would allow it. I suspect the difference is that you donât âseeâ yourself that way, but that it just is. But I am obviously clueless.
The pictures are lovely. Why no smiling? Like most older women (me too) smiling in photos makes wrinklesâŠ
The photographer is fabulous. Simply fabulous.
I thought the cover photo was ludicrous. What 65 year-old woman would be caught dead dressed like that and in that pose? (As my son said,âSo itâs been Jennerâs lifelong dream to look like a hooker?â) Apparently Caitlin has acquired her sense of taste from the Kardashian girls. Imagine how much better impact a tasteful and age appropriate photo would have had! But I guess it was absurd to expect any better from someone whoâs been famewhoring on reality TV for years. Bravo to the kids from his earlier marriages who wanted no part of his new show. At least someone with the Jenner last name has some class. As for those who pointed out how much Caitlin resembles Jessica Langeâwell duh. Langeâs features have grown quite masculine as sheâs aged.
Maybe you live in middle America but on the coasts this is just the tip of the over 60 iceberg.
She looks way more natural and classy than many cis-women who I run across in my day.
An interesting explanation of the style choices . . .