<p>@billcsho - Well, that is pure nonsense since UM only gives the stat to one decimal place and she gave it to 2. How do you know that the actual average GPA wasn’t 3.85 and they rounded it up to 3.9, and therefore her GPA is actually slightly above the average? You don’t. Try to be more accurate in your statements.</p>
<p>@fallenchemist You may argue about it. But the admission average for UMich overall last year was indeed 3.85 (3.83 for 2013). I would not be surprised at all that the admission average GPA of CoE to be 0.07 higher as the mid 50 ACT of CoE (31-34) is 1 point higher than UMich overall (29-33) in 2013 as well.</p>
<p>You may or may not be surprised, but the fact of the matter is you don’t know. Don’t say with authority that which you do not know. You are misleading people when you do. Her GPA rounded to one decimal place is 3.9. UM CoE is 3.9. The best you can say is it seems to be a match. What I am saying is factual for the information given, and what you are saying is pure guesswork.</p>
<p>Let me know if you have better information. 3.9 has been CoE admission median for recent years. You may consider that as anywhere between 3.85 and 3.94. In any case, 3.88 is near the admission median which would not change the chancing. Even if it is right on the average, it would not be a match for that student due to the around admission average SAT and low admission rate of CoE (20% for 2014). At the end, it is not a pure guesswork as I am basing on published data even it may not be accurate down to the second digit after decimal point.</p>
<p>[ *] College (LSA, engineering, etc.): Engineering
[ *] SAT: none
[ *] SAT IIs (if sent): Math II - 800, Physics - 800
[ *] ACT: 35, 10 writing
[ *] UM unweighted GPA: 4.0
[ *] Rank: school not ranked
[ *] Course Load: APs: Physics, AP Calc BC, AP Comp Sci, AP Chemistry, AP U.S. History, AP Gov, AP Lang, Econ/Gov, Mythology, Yearbook, Spanish 1-4, currently taking Calc 3 at local uni
[ *] Other stats: none
[ *] Subjective (ECs, special circumstances, etc):
Math/Science club (placed in two events at competition junior year)
Model UN (3 years)
Wrestling (4 years, 3 varsity)
Cross Country(2 years jv)
NHS/Spanish NHS
Job at sub shop
Tutor
Other misc. volunteering
Went to an engineering camp at local uni over the summer
[ *] Essays: Fairly solid,
[ *] Teacher Recs: Pretty sure its a solid rec
[ *] Counselor Rec: Very good
[ *] Hook (legacy, recruited athlete, etc.): nope
[ *) Location/Person:
[ *] State or Country: Michigan
[ *] School Type: Public
[ *] Ethnicity: White
[ *] Gender: Male
[ *] major strength/weakness: Scores and Grades are solid, pretty balanced in terms of sports/extra curriculars. major weakness below.
[ *] Other Factors/questions: Pretty much the reason I’m questioning whether or not I’ll get in: In my dual enrollment class I have around a 50%. However, most kids in the class, HS or college students, are failing and the teacher is notoriously bad (his rate my professor grade proves this). I know this isn’t really an excuse to have a bad grade, but I still have one. I may be able to bring it up to around 80 if everything works out in my favor- basically if I get A’s on the rest of the tests and quizzes and the final. Does this hurt me enough to get me denied?</p>
<p>@wrestler0320 What are grades of your DE classes? College grading can be very different from HS that you don’t really need 90%+ for an A. I would not worry about it too much. Your ACT score and GPA are good, so it should be a match for you from in state. In addition, you should be able to get at least the Regent scholarship for the top 525 in state students admitted. You may be eligible to the Engineering Scholarship of Honors too.</p>
<p>[ *] College (LSA, engineering, etc.): Engineering
[ *] SAT: cumulative 2270 (680, 790, 800)
[ *] SAT IIs (if sent): Math II - 800, Chemistry - 770, Spanish (no listening) 710
[ *] ACT: 33, 9 writing
[ *] UM unweighted GPA: 4.0
[ *] Rank: 2/585
[ *] Course Load: APs: Took honors and a couple standard electives (they had no honors equivalent), took AP Euro sophomore year got a 4, Junior year: AP Spanish Lang (5), AP English Lang (5), AP Calc BC (5), APUSH (5), AP Chem (5), Senior year: AP Macro, AP US Gov, AP Statistics, AP Bio, AP English Lit, AP Physics I
[ *] Other stats: none
[ *] Subjective (ECs, special circumstances, etc):
Science Olympiad Captain (9, 10, 11, 12) Captain (11, 12)
Speech team (9, 10, 11, 12) Secretary (10), Treasurer (10), Captain (11,12)
Band (9, 10, 11): Marching Leader and Section Leader (10,11)
Math team (9, 10, 11, 12)
Student Council (9, 10, 11, 12): Treasurer (9), Secretary (10), School Betterment Committee Head (12)
Tennis (9, 10, 11, 12) JV Captain (11,12)
Northwestern University’s CTD Civic Leadership Institute (11)
Research at Loyola University’s Cardinal Bernardin Cancer Center (12)
Mu Alpha Theta (9, 10, 11, 12) VP (12)
Delnor Community Hospital/Brighton Gardens Assisted Living Center Volunteer (10, 11, 12)
[ *] Essays: They’re okay
[ *] Teacher Recs: Probably okay
[ *] Counselor Rec: Probably a little subpar, doesn’t know me well at all
[ *] Hook (legacy, recruited athlete, etc.): none
[ *) Location/Person: N/A
[ *] State or Country: Illinois
[ *] School Type: Public
[ *] Ethnicity: Indian
[ *] Gender: Male
[ *] major strength/weakness: I think that stats are okay (except maybe SAT CR)
[ *] Other Factors/questions: I’m just wondering my chances assuming my essays and recs are average (I wrote about speech team and its implications on me, I wrote about cultural diversity and had decent imagery and stuff, but the other essay was pretty run of the mill, the long one about my interests in majors/schools, etc.)</p>
<p>[ *] College (LSA, engineering, etc.): Engineering
[ *] SAT: cumulative 2270 (680, 790, 800)
[ *] SAT IIs (if sent): Math II - 800, Chemistry - 770, Spanish (no listening) 710
[ *] ACT: 33, 9 writing
[ *] UM unweighted GPA: 4.0
[ *] Rank: 2/585
[ *] Course Load: APs: Took honors and a couple standard electives (they had no honors equivalent), took AP Euro sophomore year got a 4, Junior year: AP Spanish Lang (5), AP English Lang (5), AP Calc BC (5), APUSH (5), AP Chem (5), Senior year: AP Macro, AP US Gov, AP Statistics, AP Bio, AP English Lit, AP Physics I
[ *] Other stats: none
[ *] Subjective (ECs, special circumstances, etc):
Science Olympiad Captain (9, 10, 11, 12) Captain (11, 12)
Speech team (9, 10, 11, 12) Secretary (10), Treasurer (10), Captain (11,12)
Band (9, 10, 11): Marching Leader and Section Leader (10,11)
Math team (9, 10, 11, 12)
Student Council (9, 10, 11, 12): Treasurer (9), Secretary (10), School Betterment Committee Head (12)
Tennis (9, 10, 11, 12) JV Captain (11,12)
Northwestern University’s CTD Civic Leadership Institute (11)
Research at Loyola University’s Cardinal Bernardin Cancer Center (12)
Mu Alpha Theta (9, 10, 11, 12) VP (12)
Delnor Community Hospital/Brighton Gardens Assisted Living Center Volunteer (10, 11, 12)
[ *] Essays: They’re okay
[ *] Teacher Recs: Probably okay
[ *] Counselor Rec: Probably a little subpar, doesn’t know me well at all
[ *] Hook (legacy, recruited athlete, etc.): none
[ *) Location/Person: N/A
[ *] State or Country: Illinois
[ *] School Type: Public
[ *] Ethnicity: Indian
[ *] Gender: Male
[ *] major strength/weakness: I think that stats are okay (except maybe SAT CR)
[ *] Other Factors/questions: I’m just wondering my chances assuming my essays and recs are average (I wrote about speech team and its implications on me, I wrote about cultural diversity and had decent imagery and stuff, but the other essay was pretty run of the mill, the long one about my interests in majors/schools, etc.)</p>
<p>@billcsho It’s pretty similar to hs grading- 90% and up is an A, 80% + is a B, 70+ C, 60+ D which is passing. Thanks for the helpful words though, I just didn’t know how much Michigan takes dual enrollment into account. One question though, do you know if we have to send our dual enrollment grades? I’m planning on taking this class again in college, so I wouldn’t really need the credits.</p>
<p>[ *] College (LSA, engineering, etc.): LSA Undeclared
[ *] SAT: -
[ *] SAT IIs (if sent): -
[ *] ACT: 27
[ *] UM unweighted GPA: Not sure how to calc. 3.7 W (4.0) Scale
[ *] Rank: School doesn’t rank
[ *] Other stats: AP’s AP Spanish, AP English, AP Human Geography, AP French (All 4’s and 5’s) Taking: AP Psychology, AP Government, AP Macro, AP Art History
[ *] Subjective (ECs, special circumstances, etc): EC’s:
Sports: Swimming and Diving, Track and Field, Lacrosse (Freshman Year only. MVP)
ECS:
300 Hours of Community Service
FCCLA Executive Board (State Champion)
French Honor Society
Political Campaign Summer Internship
2 internships in Public Relations
Awarded highest award at my school
Award for community service
[ *] Essays: Very Good
[ *] Teacher Recs: Very Good
[ *] Counselor Rec: Very Good
[ *] Hook (legacy, recruited athlete, etc.): URM
[ *) Location/Person:
[ *] State or Country: IL
[ *] School Type: Large public. Nationally ranked, one of the best in the country
[ *] Ethnicity: Hispanic
[ *] Gender: Female
[ *] major strength/weakness: Upgrade Grade Trend
Weaknesses: UW Fairly Low (2 C’s)
[ *] Other Factors/questions: Possibility of being considered an in-state applicant </p>
<p>@5melissa1234 Your GPA and ACT are both low for LSA from OOS. URM may help a little bit but it would still be a reach.</p>
<p>“Let me know if you have better information”</p>
<p>Congratulations fallenchemist on your Super Moderator status. While you might be an expert on admissions data for Tulane, you certainly are not one for Michigan. I commend billscho for his thoughtful and polite analysis for those students who really want to have some idea what their chances are. While we all know that it is just estimated guesswork and not be taken as gospel, it is after all the purpose of this thread. </p>
<p>[ *] College (LSA, engineering, etc.): LSA
[ *] SAT:
[ *] SAT IIs (if sent):
[ *] ACT: 33C, 34E, 32M, 34R, 30S, 8W
[ *] UM unweighted GPA: 4.0
[ *] Rank: top 10%
[ *] Other stats: Took 9 AP Classes in HS out of 13 Available, AP Scholar with Honor
[ *] Subjective (ECs, special circumstances, etc): NHS, Varsity Tennis, Part Time Job, Consistent Weekly Volunteer Job at local hospital, a few school groups
[ *] Essays: I think they are pretty good, especially my supplementals. I had an essay mentor help with my common app essay and I think it’s above average.
[ *] Teacher Recs: Great
[ *] Counselor Rec: Average
[ *] Hook (legacy, recruited athlete, etc.):
[ *) Location/Person:
[ *] State or Country: Michigan
[ *] School Type: Small Public
[ *] Ethnicity: Asian
[ *] Gender: Female
[ *] major strength/weakness: I think my stats are definitely my strength. Essays could have been improved on.
[ *] Other Factors/questions: I applied early action. twin sister is also applying, but with lower stats. Curious if this could make any difference or not.</p>
<p>U of M is my first choice!!</p>
<p>Sorry for this repeat, just wanted to bump this:
[ *] College (LSA, engineering, etc.): Engineering
[ *] SAT: cumulative 2270 (680, 790, 800)
[ *] SAT IIs (if sent): Math II - 800, Chemistry - 770, Spanish (no listening) 710
[ *] ACT: 33, 9 writing
[ *] UM unweighted GPA: 4.0
[ *] Rank: 2/585
[ *] Course Load: APs: Took honors and a couple standard electives (they had no honors equivalent), took AP Euro sophomore year got a 4, Junior year: AP Spanish Lang (5), AP English Lang (5), AP Calc BC (5), APUSH (5), AP Chem (5), Senior year: AP Macro, AP US Gov, AP Statistics, AP Bio, AP English Lit, AP Physics I
[ *] Other stats: none
[ *] Subjective (ECs, special circumstances, etc):
Science Olympiad Captain (9, 10, 11, 12) Captain (11, 12)
Speech team (9, 10, 11, 12) Secretary (10), Treasurer (10), Captain (11,12)
Band (9, 10, 11): Marching Leader and Section Leader (10,11)
Math team (9, 10, 11, 12)
Student Council (9, 10, 11, 12): Treasurer (9), Secretary (10), School Betterment Committee Head (12)
Tennis (9, 10, 11, 12) JV Captain (11,12)
Northwestern University’s CTD Civic Leadership Institute (11)
Research at Loyola University’s Cardinal Bernardin Cancer Center (12)
Mu Alpha Theta (9, 10, 11, 12) VP (12)
Delnor Community Hospital/Brighton Gardens Assisted Living Center Volunteer (10, 11, 12)
[ *] Essays: They’re okay
[ *] Teacher Recs: Probably okay
[ *] Counselor Rec: Probably a little subpar, doesn’t know me well at all
[ *] Hook (legacy, recruited athlete, etc.): none
[ *) Location/Person: N/A
[ *] State or Country: Illinois
[ *] School Type: Public
[ *] Ethnicity: Indian
[ *] Gender: Male
[ *] major strength/weakness: I think that stats are okay (except maybe SAT CR)
[ *] Other Factors/questions: I’m just wondering my chances assuming my essays and recs are average (I wrote about speech team and its implications on me, I wrote about cultural diversity and had decent imagery and stuff, but the other essay was pretty run of the mill, the long one about my interests in majors/schools, etc.)</p>
<p>@tedonan You should be an easy match for LSA from in state. Your GPA, test score, and course rigor are all great. Are you interested in the Honors program?</p>
<p>@predent Are the SAT section scores CR/M/W? CoE put more emphasis on the Math section score. Your GPA and course rigor are good. ACT 33 is around the admission average last year and the admission rate was 20%. So for OOS student, it may be a very high match to low reach for you.</p>
<p>@billcsho
Yes that is the SAT score set up.
Awesome! Thanks for the input. With the 33 ACT My score dist. was 35 English, 36 Math, 31 Reading, 31 Science. Does that make any difference?</p>
<p>@predent That’s great ACT section scores that would supplement your SAT scores. Did you apply EA? I think it is a rather high match as your ACT is almost 34 which was the 75th percentile in the last few years.</p>
<p>@billcsho
Yes I did apply EA. Sounds awesome!</p>
<p>@billcsho yes I am interested in the honors program, although I am still a bit unfamiliar with it and will have to do some more research. Isnt it quite hard to get into?</p>
<p>@tedonan I think you are competitive for the Honors program. If accepted, you may then choose the Honor Housing in main campus.</p>