<p>no rklo, that’s not a false sense, that’s an impressive resume, just be careful about those school specific awards. i know some kids who received the alumni book award thing from the ivies, but i doubt it means much.</p>
<p>maho: skin color is a bigger issue in society and really does affect culture more than you realize. A white guy and a black guy living in the same area will most likely not have the same experiences. First of all, it is about 10 times more likely that the black guy will be poorer, have relatives in jail, live in a fatherless household (i read that on average over HALF of black households are without fathers, including my own), and have been raised very differently from his white counterpart. The black experience in America is very different from the white experience, period. This is particularly exaggerated in places like the deep South and very urban, and very rural area. Economic AA alone does not account for the SOCIETAL and CULTURAL disadvantage that URM’s are up against.</p>
<p>Oh and I love how you didn’t answer my question from my last post or answer any of my arguments. I assume you agree.</p>
<p>I don’t brag about benefiting from affirmative action or w/e. Most of my teachers and close friends that know my scores say I got in because I was black. That ****es me off to this very day, but I realize that it is sort of true. I even told my academic advisor that I really didn’t deserve to get into this school. What did she tell me? She told me that I earned my place at Michigan. Stop misinterpreting facts. My academic advisor pulled up another students SAT score instead of mine. She said that sometimes when she enters information into the system, another students information might come up. I didn’t even send my ACT to Michigan. So go back and re read the statements of the thread.</p>
<p>Regardless, I don’t brag. I’m not confident in my abilities and I hope I succeed at Michigan. Nevertheless I also want other students like myself to apply to schools because they have interest in them, not because they aren’t likely to get in. My mother is a doctor and my dad works on wall street. I never said I was poor. I never talked about myself personally in any of these arguments. Just because affirmative action, or what ever you want to call it helped me doesn’t mean I think other students like myself should rely on it. I applied to 15 schools just for the heck of it. Just because I liked them. Obviously there were some safeties and match schools, but most of the schools I applied to were reaches, and I got into some of them. Not like this matters.</p>
<p>And Maho. You said you don’t believe in racial diversity. So why do you care that most of the valedictorians are mostly white, asian, or indian?</p>
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I know you don’t like this analogy, but why don’t we throw in some rapists and murderers as well? Let’s say they were walking on the streets and a rapist comes up. They are unfamiliar with these situations, limiting their escape.</p>
<p>jayay, the last post i saw you post in this thread was on page 20, and there was no question. </p>
<p>I love how you pretend to have a question that’s not answered to seemly weaken our arguments</p>
<p>(sorry if I was just a nub and couldn’t find it, which may very well be the case)</p>
<p>user: don’t believe I was talking to you…?
The ? was what race maho is. Cuz like I said, I wasn’t referring to you. Ever. Sorry, I guess I didn’t realize you guys are a team effort lol. I also asked other questions previously, that weren’t answered.</p>
<p>And if you are going to randomly and rudely come at me, at least answer the argument. Really now.</p>
<p>jayay: this was your last post, a whole 5 pages ago…
Your talking about ‘quotas’ with the jhu case. And that system has been overturned because of that court case.
And at top schools ‘lesser quality’ is still a 3.7 with a 2100 SAT. These people can handle the work. And even if you can find one or two cases where someone with ridiculously low stats got in, frankly, you don’t know their life. You don’t know what struggles they wnet through and maybe they portrayed this to the adcom. You also don’t know their EC’s. It’s poor judgement to jump to the conclusion that it was because they are URM when you have so little information. If you’re not white or Asian then what are you? Because I have a feeling if you were a URM yourself maybe you would understand the situation and not be so quick to dismiss all claims of societal disadvantage. You come off as if you have no idea why black people achieve less when there are several very good reasons, culturally, societally, economically.
And again with simplifying the SAT/ACT. Probability will not get you a composite higher than a 20. And a 2nd or 3rd grader would not do well on the test. I don’t know what super smart 2nd graders you know, but most are just getting the hang of simple math. No algebra. No geometry. And forget trig. Forget long word problems that require you to set up equations. And that’s the majority of the test.</p>
<p>i have addressed this already, go back and read it because i’m not typing it all again. and in my hypothetical scenario i believe they lived next door, which would pretty much negate either one being significantly richer than the other and now you’re stereotyping the black guy as having relatives in jail etc… it’s not like there aren’t whites in jail too. ok so you are an african american and your dad doesn’t live at home, well, join the club, we have t-shirts. my mom is african and my dad lives half way across the country.</p>
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<p>i assume you can’t read go find your last post and read all mine after it, then we’ll talk again.</p>
<p>Entertainer: i never said i don’t believe in racial diversity, i said that in and of itself race is not a merit for boosting a candidate to be admitted. merit is something you achieve, race is something you are born with.</p>
<p>and i am all for diversity, but at least have comparable qualifications when being admitted to top tier schools.</p>
<p>Well the people that support affirmative action think that applicants shouldn’t be selected based on the notion of preferential treatment. Most people that are for affirmative action disagree with this. They want minorities/women to be selected on equal to comparable qualifications. </p>
<p>Colleges/Universities like Username said decide what is comparable or not.</p>
<p>“diversity is good, but not based on skin color.”</p>
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idk but you may have contradicted yourself 2-3 times in this one post</p>
<p>I just wanted to share this (elitist, in my opinion) article with you all: [Definition</a> of IQ](<a href=“Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos”>Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos)</p>
<p>With a mentality like the person who wrote this article, it’s no surprise that many universities are impressed by minorities with good stats. Pay particular attention to the “Wandering down to Wal-Mart” and “Race, Ethnicity, and Gender” sections. </p>
<p>I dont think that IQ means anything, because i think that it’s just another number which you all seem to value so much.</p>
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<p>And please don’t look at every URM on campus as one that got in with “lesser” stats. There are many who had higher stats than you.</p>
<p>That statement that I just posted was from a website about people that are in favor of affirmative action. It was in response to Maho’s statement.</p>
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<p>Not necessarily true. Maybe this applies to a 3.7/2100 kid but it doesn’t apply to a 4.0/2350 kid, not even at HYP.</p>
<p>Maho: 1st off - My dad is deceased. So I don’t think you have a ‘t-shirt’ for that one…
2nd: Not stereotyping. Statistically. It’s a statistical fact that a higher percentage of blacks are in jail. You can look that up if you’d like.
3rd: neighborhood does not equate to equal economic status. I know many people who struggle to live in a nice suburban neighborhood but make tens of thousands less than their neighbors. And guess what? They are usually URMs!
4th: To answer your last post: They do. Comparable as in able to handle the work. I’m pretty sure a 1900 and a 2100 could both handle the work. It’s not a 1310 against a 2000 99.999% of the time. Again, specific, very rare, limited, cases. Maybe one or two mentionable. And then without knowing all the background.
5th: <em>looks for your answer to my last post</em>…well,not on page 20…not on 21…on 22 you agrue with entertainer…as on 23…and 24…and now we’re on 25! Don’t see one post addressed to me…hmm…maybe I’m wrong. What’s the # of the post?</p>
<p>OH and you finally reveal your race (unless you are adopted), you are half-African? Maybe white South African because why in the world would you be so adamnant against something you will probably use to your advantage in college admissions? Don’t shoot yourself in the foot lol.</p>
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<p>And please don’t look at everyone who has different opinions from you as racists.</p>
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<p>I can assure you it is true on every campus. I don’t know what podunk U you go to, but I can assure you it is true at ALL campuses.</p>
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<p>Yay for random quoting that has no context!</p>
<p>^^^^^^^</p>
<p>Sorry, I am in a crappy mood, read it for yourself.</p>
<p>And please don’t look at every URM on campus as one that got in with “lesser” stats. There are many who had higher stats than you.</p>
<p>/\ i don’t doubt their existence, but on average it’s not the case</p>
<p>jayay: i’m sorry to hear that</p>
<p>yes there are, but it’s not 100% of them, and how many of them that are there does not change how they got there</p>
<p>depending on the neighborhood tens of thousands could be spare change, if you live in a rich neighborhood, or they may just be trying to live above their means</p>
<p>a 1900 may be able to handle the work too, but who do you think would be able to handle it better, and make more of it? personal traits and characteristics unaccounted for, i would put money on the 2100</p>
<p>it would also appear that maho addressed your points from #295 in #327 except for the comment about 2nd and 3rd graders being able to do some sat math</p>