<p>but it looks like he addressed it to entertainer</p>
<p>ga2012mom, are you even a prospective student?</p>
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<p>How presumptuous of you to think that. Step down off your high horse.</p>
<p>so you’re saying 100% of URMs have higher stats than 100% of ORMs. </p>
<p>Otherwise that assumption is true…</p>
<p>and crimson, I think it’s pretty obvious that GA is a MOM, and probably an URM one.</p>
<p>I dunno why, but racial AA supporters always use the logical fallacy that if at least 1 thing is good enough (or in this case a person), then all the rest are good enough too.</p>
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<p>No, just a mom who is tired of hearing this crap. Come back in a few years after you have been in school and have experienced diversity, and hopefully you will have a different perspective.</p>
<p>I am white, btw, but that doesn’t matter.</p>
<p>well ga2012mom, it’s not very presumptuous at all, i will bet money that not everyone in jail is black, and i don’t know what they did to get there, but i can’t imagine our system is so bad that every one of them does not deserve to be there</p>
<p>perhaps you misunderstood what that comment was in reference to?</p>
<p>as for experiencing diversity, there are less than 50% whites kids in my school, in fact there are comparable numbers of asians and indians</p>
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<p>I’m an incoming senior at a private high school in Manhattan…my point is that once a student reaches the level of 4.0/2350(sat1)/2350(sat2), it is terribly inaccurate to say that there are plenty of URMs on campus with better stats. Only a handful of URMs in the country can claim such stats.</p>
<p>Well, @ crimson: I’m not going to read all of his posts to entertainer and everyone else to try and pick out where maho answer’s my arguments. Sorry, just don’t have the time. It’s pretty easy to make it clear who you are talking to…if he doesn’t want to put in the effort to do that, then I surely don’t need to waste time trying to figure it out. And #327 is so wrought with references to entertainer that I’m not sure any of it refers to what I was saying…I don’t think he needs you or user to stick up for him.
Anyways, referring to the neighborhood thing: Exactly. Living above their means. In order for their children to have a better education. I know for a fact that that is what my family and a lot of my friends family’s are doing in order to go to a good public school instead of a crappy inner-city one. Living in a nice suburban neighborhood with a low middle class status and making sacrifices.
Scores thing: Look, we can argue all day about how a 300 overall point difference on ONE test means this person is smarter, better, will make much more of themselves, blah blah blah. But that is a pointless argument. You can believe that, but I don’t. Especially when characteristics, hard work, determination, etc. mean so much more. OH and another thing: Do you know that the majority of blacks don’t retake their SAT’s? I’m looking for the link right now. But I think it was somewhere between 80-90% of african-americans don’t retake. Why? Culture, most see it as unimportant anyways or a certain score is ‘good enough’. Resources, many don’t have the money. A combo of many other factors. That retake could be the difference btw a 1900 and a 2100.</p>
<p>@ user: I don’t know what ‘racial AA supporters’ you are talking about. One person doesn’t prove all, either one exceptional person or one below average (sub-20 act, sub 1400 SAT). And I think a lot of people here are oscillating between the two extremes and you and maho and crimson are all operating on the sub-par extreme.</p>
<p>Having diversity in your school is great, however assuming someone has gotten something JUST because the color of their skin is racist. I am not referring to you, just making a general statement. </p>
<p>If someone in your school that might be ranked #20 as opposed to your #2 for example got into a “better” school than you, please don’t assume it is because of AA. That’s all I am saying. There are many other factor’s than your scores. When you go to college, trust me you will not be any smarter with a 2350 than your classmate with a 2100.</p>
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<p>lol yes, let’s insult people!</p>
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<p>Why not waive SAT scores for ALL applicants instead of just URMs? If they are so useless, why are colleges bothering to use them anywyays?</p>
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<p>You know, that’s a very good point. I haven’t thought of it that way.</p>
<p>I just wish there were those few less than stellar acceptees who were asian…</p>
<p>Still, generally speaking, URMs DO have lower scores/grades than ORMs, even at HYPS.</p>
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<p>If you grabbed a random black student and a random white student and asked to bet on who has the higher test scores, I’m going to bet on the white student 100% of the time. I won’t win 100% of the time, but I’ll probably win 75% of the time. Cry racist if you want, no one cares. </p>
<p>It’d be interesting to tally up the total hours of my life that have been wasted while listening to speeches/conversations about diversity and other mind-numbing nonsense.</p>
<p>jayay: just pointing it out, and regardless of who it was addressed to it discusses your argument</p>
<p>ga2012mom you can take 2 kids, one white, one o i don’t know, alaskan native? give them the same scores, the same gpa, and no ec’s to tip the balance, and the alaskan native would get in with far greater ease. if you don’t think so, i think you’re wrong.</p>
<p>lol choklitrain, so what are your thoughts on diversity?</p>
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<p>Scores are waived for URM’s??? wow, news flash.</p>
<p>Okay, I’ll go out on a limb here and make a “general” statement. Maybe ORM’s (asians) do better on tests, because they have been brought up in a culture that stresses that. My D has asian friends that have been prepping since 7th grade. I’m not saying that is a bad thing, but with enough test prep, I really don’t see alot of differerence between cultures or even socioeconomics. If white, hispanic or AA students would start prepping in 7th grade, then we could have a true picture of test scores. That being said, college is not a score, thus the term “holistic” admissions comes into play. If you want to go to a school that is purely academic, test score driven with nothing else, you know where to apply, and thank goodness it is not at my D’s school.</p>
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<p>Science informs us that race is a social construct. What we consider a ‘race’ is just a group of people with some shared physical traits based on living in the same region. So ideally I’d like us to stop seeing race. Certainly make college accessible to poor students and those from bad circumstances(one parent, inner city location, rural location, etc). Just don’t use race alone as a factor. When race alone is used as a factor, asian/white students literally have to work harder than URMs to reach the same levels in society.</p>
<p>@ Chaosakita: I wasn’t referring to them. I was referring to them viewing that one ‘sub-par’ AA proves that all are sub-par. That was clear to those who I was actually talking to. You seem to be fond of interjecting without actually trying to understand what is going on. Especially since I was not talking to you…</p>
<p>@Crimson: Again, it’s REALLY easy to make it clear what specifically you are talking about. And I’ve read #327, it doesn’t really answer anything I was talking about in any specific or articulate way. And again, why are you defending him?</p>
<p>@Choklit: Exactly. Race is a social construct. That has been there for thosuands of years. And has social barriers, societal barriers. Culture becomes tied up in race. Race ALONE is not used as a factor anyways. Not at any college. It’s not ‘oh, you’re black?’ who cares about test scores, economics, crime history, or even if you are a college-age US citizen, you are IN!</p>