Third Amanda Knox Verdict Due Shortly

<p>There is other circumstantial evidence, lerkin, although nothing that could be said to be a slam dunk, and some of which might be based on inaccuracies.</p>

<p>Knox and Sollecito both turned their cell phones off at around the same time at about twenty minutes to nine, not long before the estimated time of the murder. Even before intense questioning had started, they were inconsistent about what they had been doing that night and whether or not they had both been together. They claimed to have been on the computer at one point, but it turned out the computer hadn’t been touched. </p>

<p>Supposedly, Amanda told police called in before the body was found that Meredith always kept her door locked, even if she was just going to the shower. The other roommates said that Meredith never locked her door, which then led the police to knock it down and find the body. According to reports, everyone else gathered around the door, while Knox and Sollecito hung back.</p>

<p>There was some talk of Amanda having bought a mop or bleach, but I think that has become less clear; no receipt was found from the store that claimed she had purchased these items. Part of Knox’s story, in an attempt to deal with this issue, claimed that she had spilled something at Sollecito’s and was going to get a mop. Similarly, while the evidence on the knife turned out to be pretty inconclusive, Sollecito didn’t help matters by coming up with a story about the three of them cooking together and Meredith possibly bleeding on a knife. I tend not to weight these kinds of unconvincing explanations very heavily, though. If an investigator trying to prompt a confession falsely told me that they had found my blood on the clothing of murdered acquaintance, I’d also probably resort to things like “maybe I got a paper-cut when we were working on that project together.”</p>

<p>There is some evidence that the break-in was staged, as the glass had been broken from the inside. I’ve heard some people contest this. There is also evidence that Meredith was almost certainly killed by more than one person, given the lack of defensive wounds and location of the injuries, but if so, it is odd that no other DNA was found, and if the other people were Knox and Sollecito, that they wouldn’t have left conclusive DNA traces or had their own bruises from a confrontation. Amanda had a mark on her chin that she claimed was a hickey, and some people said didn’t look like a hickey.</p>

<p>Honestly, I’m pretty baffled. On one hand, it seems like a violation of Occam’s Razor when you have a case in which abundant DNA evidence points to one man, who had also recently been involved in other break-ins and robberies, to concoct a scenario in which the motiveless Knox and Sollecito had anything to do with it. On the other, it is almost as fanciful to assume that the Italian police just had it in for them from the get-go and decided to pin the crime on an attractive twenty year old exchange student and her boyfriend, both without any criminal history. This suggests to me that their statements weren’t adding up and their behavior was off even before they were pegged as suspects. There are also, evidently, some experts who haven’t been as dismissive of the physical evidence as the defense is, and, as cptofthehouse said, if there had been anything totally exculpatory in the results, we would have heard about it. Apparently, multiple judges have found it convincing enough to convict, and they were hearing the defense’s side of things as well.</p>

<p>I hope she never has to serve a sentence because I’m not confident of her guilt and can’t stand the thought of someone who might well be innocent - or guilty of something much less than murder - serving 25 years in jail. But I’m also not convinced of her innocence. </p>

<p>“The whole lot of them were living a life of sex, drugs, not taking precautions in terms of who they entertained and other safety rules.”</p>

<p>So what? What’s wrong with that? Your moral judgments are irrelevant and quite unnecessary. I really am not interested in your other posts or who you think is guilty.You have absolutely no right to judge Meredith for the way she lived her life, it was hers to live how she wanted. I live in Britain, I read and watch British news and it is true that the Kertchers have remained almost entirely silent. Don’t believe me? Tough. I am truly amazed that you’re blaming the Kertcher family for thinking Knox should go to prison; of course they think that - as would any parent in their situation.</p>

<p>Actually, I think that if I was in that situation, I would be more concerned about finding out what really happened & who was responsible, and that I would be very resistant to the idea that my child’s friends committed an act of lethal violence upon them.</p>

<p>I have as anyone has, every right to judge ANYONE anyway I please. The Kerchers have NOT remained almost entirely silent. John Kercher wrote a friggin’ book, and it was serialized in the media. </p>

<p>You don’t believe me, tough to you too. </p>

<p>If you read my other posts you would know that I do not blame the Kercher family for ANYTHING, nor do I blame Meredith Kercher or Amanda Knox for their lifestyles prior to the murder, how they acted or what they did. I also feel that what the Knox family is doing is perfectly natural–they believe their daughter is innocent and are doing what they can to get that out there and raise the enormous amounts of money for the defense needed to keep her out of jail. Both families get my enormous sympathy, and I’ve related that many times. </p>

<p>Emerald, I think it’s clear that at this point, finding out what really happend is not going to be. Too many lies told by those there to believe anything. When each time facts are brought up, the stories change, how can one believe the stories of those that might know anything? </p>

<p>No, you don’t have that right. </p>

<p>I did read your other posts, as I said - they are irrelevant. I mostly agreed with you up until you decided to attack the name and memory of a dead girl. As far as I’m concerned you have lost all credibility in this thread.</p>

<p>And you are just one person,as far as you are concerned. Doesn’t matter who agrees with me or what my opinion is, but it stands as my opinion. What matters the most at this time is the Italian court’s decision, and how the next round will go for Knox and Sollecito. Not what I think, you think, what the families think. Two lives here will be set into directions pretty much by the final verdict, not by opinions of the likes of you or me.</p>

<p>Nordicblue, you are dead wrong. cptofthehouse has the right to judge any person and say anything she wants, within the limits of TOS. It’s called FREEDOM, and maybe you don’t have it in Britain, but in the US, we have killed and died for it. The thought police are not welcomed here. We feel free to disagree about just about everything, but we sure as heck have the right to make our own opinions. As you have the right to be dead wrong.</p>

<p>If I were Meredith’s parents, I would be horrified…absolutely disgusted and enraged that they are letting the proven rapist and murderer go free after just a short time, for a deal where he testified against two kids that have already served four years, when they are uncertain of the extent of their involvement (if any). That would make me crazy. I would want him executed, or at the bare minimum, spend the rest of his miserable life in prison.</p>

<p>+++++++1 for Busdriver</p>

<p>That argument doesn’t wash, this isn’t about freedom of speech. There is no such thing as an absolute right of freedom of speech anyway, not even in the US.</p>

<p>If one does not know someone one should not, one can not make judgements about their life choices. I find it unbelievably distasteful and downright rude to judge a murder victim for having sex - it was her life, she could do what she wanted with it. What right does anyone here have to moralise and impose their own social values on her?</p>

<p>You are misreading that post imho. She was stating facts and has repeatedly said she doesn’t know what happened and thinks AK was somehow involved and is lying. And, taken some heat for it on this thread. The facts are the facts. I think you’re hearing judgment where there were simply facts. </p>

<p>Anyway, this is an internet message board so I do believe judgment is allowed. Although, prepare to get bashed. </p>

<p>Flossy hit the nail on the head. What are you even talking about, nordicblue? Where is the offensive post that you find so judgmental? Where does cptofthehouse moralize and impose her own values upon the victim?</p>

<p>I don’t think I am misreading what she said. She wasn’t stating facts, she was being unnecessarily rude and judgmental. Is it a fact that Meredith was ‘living a life of sex and drugs’, where’s the evidence? Having sex is not a crime, she could have been with every man in Perugia and she would still be an innocent victim. Cptofthehouse is effectively saying that Meredith put herself in a dangerous situation and so brought it on herself, which is total rubbish. </p>

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<p>Hey nordicblue, if your so outraged that Meredith is being accused of living a life of drugs and sex, where is your outrage at the prosecution’s attempt to accuse Knox and Sollecito of doing the same thing and then suggesting it was the motive for the crime. That was an outrageous lie. Even the prosecutor who took over the appeal disagreed with this motive and now decided Knox killed Kerchner because of a dispute over cleaning the bathroom. It was the first Italian prosecutor who besmirched everybody in this case with this sensationalistic drivel.</p>

<p>Why are you avoiding the issue by making this about Knox? Knox is alive and able to defend herself and put right any lies told about her, there is a world of difference between that and what cptofthehouse said about Meredith.</p>

<p>This isn’t about truth or lies - it shouldn’t matter if Meredith had sex or not, or if she took drugs or not. I’d like to know why cptofthehouse believes that having sex or taking drugs means that Meredith isn’t innocent in her eyes?</p>

<p>We’ve been down this road too many times–victim-blaming is bad, but pointing out that a victim engaged in risky behavior isn’t victim-blaming if the risk related to what happened to the victim. I’m not sure that’s the case here, though.</p>

<p>Bit of an overreaction, nordicblue. She said she didn’t blame the victims. You are reading too much into a few sentences and adding on your own interpretation that far more was said. Just because you think something is implied doesn’t mean it is. I have been guilty of thinking that because someone said, “A”, therefore they must mean the rest of the alphabet.</p>

<p>How else can those sentences be interpreted?</p>

<p>“This isn’t about truth or lies - it shouldn’t matter if Meredith had sex or not, or if she took drugs or not.”</p>

<p>Unfortunately, it was the prosecutors who made it an issue. </p>

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<p>People make judgments all the time about others they don’t know. You are busy right now making judgments about others’ moralizing and imposing of their social values on others. I don’t understand how you can defend Meredith’s right to live her life the way she wanted and at the same time impugn people here for expressing their opinions, which of course is part of living their lives.</p>

<p>“I don’t understand how you can defend Meredith’s right to live her life the way she wanted and at the same time impugn people here for expressing their opinions”</p>

<p>When does expressing an opinion became unacceptable? A racist slur? A homophobic outburst? Why do you not tolerate some opinions but you are ready to defend cptofthehouse’s lies and shameful judgments? I’ve always believed it inappropriate to speak ill of the dead, and especially not murder victims - is that not a sentiment we all share?</p>