<p>For a little levity, here is how you break someone in an interrogation. Go to the 2-minute mark of the video.</p>
<p><a href=“Kramer serial killer - YouTube”>Kramer serial killer - YouTube;
<p>
</p>
<p>And I would add that they should bastone dove il sole non splenderà.</p>
<p>I would add the perhaps Amanda should hightail it to some remote place where the sun does shine before they take her passport. </p>
<p>I was under the impression that European countries don’t extradite to the US because we have the death penalty. No? So it would follow that we are under no pressure to extradite to Italy. I don’t know if this is true.</p>
<p>Which countries don’t extradite to Italy? When I looked it up it was just all links to this case - lol She should also be sure to get her money out of US banks - first thing they’ll do after yanking the passport is freezing her assets. </p>
<p>Italy has extradition treaties with following countries: Argentina, Australia, Austria, The Bahamas, Bolivia, Brasil, Canada, Costa Rica, Cuba, Germany, Kenya, Lesotho, New Zealand, Paraguay, Peru, The Vatican, Singapore, Sri Lanka, The United States, Uruguay and the European Union.</p>
<p>So that leaves her plenty of places to consider. </p>
<p>It’s not an “oh, just serve a few more years” mentality. At the present, that isn’t even an option. If the next level upholds this conviction, what do YOU think is a VIABLE option? Why do you think there are plea deals? If K and S are convicted and come to the end of the line in the Italian court system, do you really think they will just drop the whole thing? If that were your kid on the block here would you trust that extradition would not occur, which the attorneys tuned into these things feel that the US will comply? Does becoming a fugitive, not just in Italy but not able to be in the US or the list of countries with extradition treaty look like a good prospect? Seriously, if some sort of deal could be reached, that might be the least damaging alternative of all. </p>
<p>I’m trying to be realistic here. Ideally, they would never have been accused–but those who know these things, not paid PR folks or those who have reason to say, and who have examined the situation, have said that the evidence was sufficient to bring the charges. That’s a fact. Even if it were not, they were brought. And in that country’s trial system, they are now in the guilty seat, and from what have said and are saying, the likelihood, given the evidence----they are NOT saying, given the kangaroo court, but given the situation as stands, it doesn’t look good for them. </p>
<p>I am saying this straight out as someone who would have been and would be highly unlikely to give a “guilty” vote to those charges, and I’ve read the sides of both the supporters of Knox and those who are saying Kercher is not getting justice with Knox going free. I have no personal ax to grind here. I think that both K and S have lied too much at this point to be believable in anything they say, as they now have all the evidence in front of them to come up with stories to explain it all. Their stories from day one were lies and they still don’t match up. They try to explain away things with possibilities that are not real or possible. That’s still a long long way from murder, a grisly assault and such nefarious doings that this case involves, but unfortunately for them, the evidence, and now their lack of any credibility and the possibilities are within the circle of reasonable doubt in the italian court system and would be in ours too. And the verdict is in. </p>
<p>Given their situation, what solutions, realistic ones, like what if this is your kid, do you suggest? I have no doubt that some pleas and bargaining are happening with the Italian court, and from what little I know from the Knox camp, an issue is that the Knoxes are beginning to believe their own PR and are getting some feeling that the US won’t allow this "travesty of justice " to occur. That isn’t what most of the lawyers I know who are familiar with such situations are saying. They are shaking their heads at that idea. </p>
<p>Great post cpth. Reality check.</p>
<p>How can the U.S. continue to demand the extradition of Edward Snowden from a country that we have no extradition treaty with, and then deny the extradition of Knox to a country with whom we actually have a treaty?
Makes us look very bad on the foreign policy PR wagon. </p>
<p>She needs to get some VERY good attorneys who have expertise in this area and act quickly. Shame Allen D. doesn’t seem to be in her corner.</p>
<p>I am definitely not in the Kercher’s camp–the family has made it clear that they think both K and S actively were involved in the murder and deserve to serve time just as Guede is serving time. He’s probably going to be out on work release this year, by the way, for anyone thinks the Italian system is so draconian. I don’t believe in the St. Meredith stance at all.</p>
<p>Knox has excellent attorney as does S. They have been well represented, and have spent a veritable fortune on this case. They are fortunate in that they both have proactive families who have been able to come up with millions to do this. It’s not Alan Dershowitz alone who is saying this is not a case that is clearly staged and the US should step in and protect Amanda Knox from this travesty. The contrary is the case. </p>
<p>A lot of things here make no sense, but why the heck did the two of them, S and K, come up with such blatant lies about where they were and what they did that night from the onset? How could they not come up with matching stories even when they were together so much and so intertwined? It’s mind boggling what they said, even before the "screws: were allegedly turned on Knox to get that story that was again, a lie. </p>
<p>The problem is that the Italian court believes the Prosecution’s version of what S and K were doing that night over their versions, because their versions cannot possibly be true. </p>
<p>What about the Italian court that freed them?</p>
<p>The Italian court system is not like ours… One has to understand how they operate to understand how this works. There are some things that don’t make sense in our court system either, to many Americans as well as those not from here. We have more folks incarcerated than any other first world country which is not anything to be proud about. </p>
<p>Again, my heart goes out to the parents of all of these young people involved. </p>
<p>“I don’t believe in the St. Meredith stance at all.”</p>
<p>Excuse me but could you show a bit of respect? Meredith did nothing wrong, she was just a normal British girl and she got killed. Nobody is a saint but she was an innocent victim - please do not suggest otherwise. As for the Kertcher family, they have been very dignified and have remained mostly silent (unlike Knox’s family, who never seem to shut up). They have said themselves they will probably never know what happened or who to blame.</p>
<p>Has anyone read Murder in Italy?</p>
<p><a href=“http://mobile.seattlest.com/2010/09/07/an_interview_with_candace_dempsey_a.php”>http://mobile.seattlest.com/2010/09/07/an_interview_with_candace_dempsey_a.php</a></p>
<p>I’m showing respect. That’s as far as I’ve gone. The Kercher family is very clear that they want Knox and Sollecito behind bars. That above all. Knox’s family is fighting to keep their daughter out of jail, out of a 20-30 sentence, so of course they will never shut up. And their PR campaign has had some good results here in this country. Gotta give them credit for that.</p>
<p>Read my posts, Nordicblue. I’m not in the St Amanda Camp either. I probably think she’s guiltier than most Americans do, and certainly most people on this board. But the arguments set out by both camps have a lot of interpretation in them instead of dealing with the facts. I don’t blame the victims but I also refuse to honor them and put them on a pedestal The whole lot of them were living a life of sex, drugs, not taking precautions in terms of who they entertained and other safety rules. That much is clear, reading the roommates’ and friends’ of Meredith’s testimonies. </p>
<p>If the Kerchers truly believe they don’t know who to blame, then they can drop their blaming. They blame Guede, Sollecito and Knox. No question what so ever. And they still do. The rest is just talk. They’ve examined the evidence very carefully and that is their conclusion and it’s shared with Meredith’s roommates and friends as well as the Italian court, most importantly, the Italian court. You don’t see a lot of support for Knox across the Atlantic. So,Nordicblue, don’t say thing that are blatantly not true. There are opinions and there are facts. What you said in your post is just outright false. the Kerchers have not stayed mostly silent–John Kercher wrote a book, has written extensively, siblings were at the last trial, and they out and out, ablove all want Knox and.Sollecito held responsible Yes, they said they’d probably never know what happened, BUT REGARDLESS, they want those two behind bars, which is rather a hypocritical statement, is it not? Taking their their statements in total, what they are saying is that regardless of the fact that what happened is not clear to even them, they want those two serving time and getting the blame for their daughter’s death. If they truly beiieve and will act upon those words they have said, then, Knox and Sollecito should be free since no one knows what happened here. That’s not the case. They don’t feel they know the exact progression of events, but whatever, they feel those two were involved enough to deserve a guilty of murder verdict and a lot of jail time.</p>
<p>As an aside, I am truly shocked that Guede is going to be loose on work release this year. My MIL’s house was burgled and the guy that was caught is serving 20 years for theft, minimum due to consecutive sentences for all the goods they found in his house, but he never hurt anyone. 20 years before getting a chance for any parole here in the US. And Guede’s going to be out in how many years? With his DNA in and around the body? He’s just doing the Italian march in the system, too. </p>
<p>
</p>
<p>Did they? It seems to me they repeat prosecution version of evidence interpretation and don’t give any credence to refuting evidence. </p>
<p>By the way, the term Knox PR machine is used by anti-Knox groups to imply that groups that are actively supporting Knox are paid by Knox famy. These groups denied that they are paid by Knox family. Can you specifically point to a PR organization hired by Knox and their activities that you think swayed American public opinion.</p>
<p>“As an aside, I am truly shocked that Guede is going to be loose on work release this year. My MIL’s house was burgled and the guy that was caught is serving 20 years for theft, minimum due to consecutive sentences for all the goods they found in his house, but he never hurt anyone. 20 years before getting a chance for any parole here in the US. And Guede’s going to be out in how many years? With his DNA in and around the body? He’s just doing the Italian march in the system, too.”</p>
<p>Why would you be shocked? He cut a deal to implicate people that the prosecutor wanted him to implicate, though he never suggested they were involved in the first place. It’s really not a matter of justice. They will let the guy they are certain was involved in the murder go free after a couple of years, and doggedly pursue people that might possibly have some involvement, and put them in jail for 20 years.</p>
<p>It makes perfect sense, if you realize it’s not about justice, it’s about saving face.</p>
<p>Ummm. The Knox family has put a lot of effort into fund raising and PR about this issue. I don’t blame them. They’ve also likely paid a small fortune in defense costs, though I do not know how this works in the Italian system. I do not know what PR organizations the Knox family has hired, nor do I know what specifically has swayed American public opinion. The vast majority of articles, news reports, information available to us, especially most easily available is without question, pro Knox. Just google and you’ll see. One does have to dig to find out what is being said across the ocean, and what the other views are. </p>
<p>As a parent, I do not blame Knox’s parents for doing every and any thing they can to help their daughter stay out of jail. How American public opinion will make a difference in the final reckoning here, I have no idea. I know that most Americans supported the little Cuban boy who ended up returned to his father. There are certain precedents in law, international law as well that I think will be observed despite public opinion. </p>
<p>I personally know that the Knox family has paid for experts to refute the evidence used in the Italian courts. I know that in some cases, if it can be clearly shown that the charges and punishment are so draconian in another country, that it’s not something we can uphold, the US could refuse to extradite. The Knox family has not been able to get that kind of evidence to their own satisfaction to take up in court. We’ll see if they’ll still try if and when an extradition request is made. Those experts in the fields that can make the difference in the request are saying that the US should/would send Knox back to Italy to serve her sentence if so requested, and that the evidence is the quality that would so be used in American courts. The verdict? Up in the air, as it would be if the case were tried here. </p>
<p>What happened was a terrible thing. The full extent of what was done to Meredith Kercher is not even easily findable and expunged from reports because it is that nasty. It’s difficult for me to believe that a young person that looks so much like the “girl next door” could be so involved in such doings, regardless of the evidence, and it is not a slam dunk case in that another scenario cannot be reasonable in my opinion. I do believe that the fact that Knox and Sollentino could not come up with any story about what they did that night that would pan out with the facts–they were proven liars so many times, is a big problem in the minds of the Italian courts. That does not make them murderers or even involved, but at this point nothing they say is believable as they facts are now laid out and they can make up stories to fit them, something they’ve been doing all along. That much is true–they lied from the get go and lied thereafter. This has been a factor in the Kercher’s assessment about this case as well, I think. They have brought it up. They unequivocally believe that K and S murdered their daughter as well as Guede, that all three share responsibility and should all three be in jail for this. No if and buts about it. If they truly believe that we, they, anyone will ever know what happened, then why would they want those 2 in jail? They feel that they know enough of what happened to warrant their punishment and to put the blame on them.</p>
<p>“They’ve also likely paid a small fortune in defense costs, though I do not know how this works in the Italian system”</p>
<p>An article from 2008 or 2009, I don’t remember, said that they had spent over a million dollars in legal fees, and were hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. I can’t imagine how much it has cost them since. For most people, this would be a large fortune.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>So was the prosecution. If we cannot trust any of them, then we can only rely on physical evidence. The physical evidence that on surface seemed to point to Knox and Sollecito was proven to be </p>
<p>a) contaminated (bra clasp was contaminated and contained DNA of other 2 unknown people)
B) unreliable (speck on a knife matches DNA family that can be match to Kerchner and but also to many other people unrelated to Kerchner)
c) incorectly interpreted (bloody foot print on a bath mat was incorectly attributed to Sollecito)
d) Further testing of the knife cannot find any Kerchner DNA, but has Knox DNA. Moreover the knife shape doesn’t match the wound pattern.</p>
<p>Is there any other evidence I am missing that could point to Knox and Sollecito.</p>
<p>In the absence of evidence we have changes in stories by both the defendants and prosecution. And we also have a plausible explanation why the stories kept changing. It’s very telling that the wrongly accused bar owner initially complained very loudly of police brutality. He only changed his story when he was suing Knox. Because he couldn’t have Knox lawyers to use police actions as a possible explanation of Knox actions.</p>