<p>Quote: “The blame lies with Tiger. The argument on the other women doesn’t hold water - he could have just picked up a prostitute.”</p>
<p>The women he cheated with are really no different than prostitutes - these “party girl” “golf groupie” relationships were not for love, but for convenience. They got “paid” during the relationship, in ways other than cash. And now, they are making money by either selling their story or keeping quiet. It’s still sex for sale in my book.</p>
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<p>With infidelity being as common as it is in divorce cases, it really isn’t a factor as much as it used to be in child custody cases. Judges are interested in “the best interests of the child.” Elin would have harder time removing the kids later than now, even if Tiger continues to cheat, because a judge could rule that the kids are too used to the environment. And I don’t want to imply that all judges are crooks that can be bought, but some are (this is from experience not cynicism), and that would be a concern.</p>
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Agreed. Also, Elin needs to look out for the kids in other ways than just money. What would she be teaching her daughter about the self-worth of a woman if she models the idea that her “obedience” (as in, presenting a nice family picture and not speaking about what happened to her, ever) can be bought?</p>
<p>These kids need to learn about integrity, honor, and self respect as well, and they’re certainly not going to learn about that from their whoredog dad. It is up to Elin to show them that money isn’t everything (and can’t buy everything) and that your integrity and honor count for something. </p>
<p>With all the press about Tiger, I don’t think anyone would award custody of two little children to him, though he’d certainly have the money to pursue his case.</p>
<p>The children could also learn lessons of forgiveness, compassion, humility and empathy if she chooses to stay with him. That is IF he changes. I think if is wrong to condemn her if she chooses to try to work things out.</p>
<p>purpleflurp, you have NO IDEA. What he has done so far would not affect the custody decision at all. And in most states now, the judge is pretty much required to give joint physical custody unless there are hospital records or arrest records showing that one parent is likely to be be abusive to the kids. The judge does not always have a lot of leeway under state law on this, and even if they do it is very much a crap shoot regarding what they will actually do. As someone who stayed in a marriage to an alcoholic with a bad temper for many more years than I wanted to because I was afraid for my children if they were left in his care without me to protect them, I am very familiar with this issue. It overrode all other factors in deciding whether to stay or go. I am not saying it is certain that Elin is in this position, but it would explain why she isn’t just walking out the door on that philandering jerk.</p>
<p>I agree - leaving pretty much condemns the kids to a life of schlepping back and forth between the two of them.</p>
<p>Big shoutout to 07 Dad on 26 years of sobriety. A close family member just celebrated 15 years and he could go to a bar and order a soda w/o temptation. He is very committed to sobriety. A round of applause.</p>
<p>I agree with NSM that Tiger could threaten Elin with getting cutody of the kids if she leaves. </p>
<p>I knew someone very close to the negotiations between Billy Busch and his girlfriend over custody of their 5 y/o daughter (many years ago). They had a very friendly relationship and the mother had full custody. He was a visible father. They liked to smoke a little pot and shoot pool. Then the mother moved to California against Billy’s wishes. He refused to return the girl after a two week summer visit, sued for and was awarded full custody, the mother was found to be incompetant and was allowed to see the girl, with supervision, on her birthday and Christmas. The case went to the Missouri Supreme Court. People with money and connections can accomplish a lot.</p>
<p>I think Elin knew what kind of man he was before she married him but figured once they married he would change. Sorry girlfriend-they don’t change. I think Princess Di thought Charles would give up Camilla after they were married. Sorry again.</p>
<p>I can see Elin getting mad at Tiger and then taking his precious toy/golf club out to the garage where his precious toy/car is sitting and start hitting the window. He goes to stop her and grabs for the club and gets hit. She finally smashes the window while he grabs the keys and takes off. I don’t see her going after him directly. “You hurt me, well watch me take your precious club and break your precious car you big &<em>(&^</em>” Plus the neighbor told the police that they heard a thumping noise before they saw the headlights on the lawn.</p>
<p>Firstly, I think Elin and Tiger are secondary players in what is being or has been put into the “post nup”. It has to be her lawyers vs his lawyers, in which case, the negotiations are purely about protecting their interests.</p>
<p>Secondly, there’s a fair chance they could have had a pre-Monica Bill/Hillary type of a relationship, where she was reconciled to his philandering as long as it wasn’t on the front page.</p>
<p>So, we all agree; Sometimes domestic violence, even when using a weapon, can be justified. The person wielding the weapon just has to be p—ed off enough. That’s just super. </p>
<p>In my opinion she lost the moral high ground when she committed aggravated assault with a weapon. Tiger should get his just due in a divorce court and she should get her just due in a criminal court.</p>
<p>It is speculation that she hit him with a golf club. Where is the proof of that?</p>
<p>No one is saying it is ok to get mad and hit someone.</p>
<p>I guess after reading these 15 pages of posts, I will finally jump in to respond to toblin’s post…</p>
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<p>I have barely seen anyone on this thread who condones domestic violence against a partner physically. I have observed some posts, and agree with them, that physical violence is WRONG, but can fully understand how upset a spouse would be to want to retaliate for the emotional pain and abuse. I don’t condone physical assault and I don’t think anyone here did either but simply said that they can understand what could drive a spouse to retaliate and WANT to do that, even if they should NOT do that. </p>
<p>All that aside, you have NO proof that Elin assaulted Tiger physically. While a plausible scenario, it is one of many. She may not have hit him whatsoever with the club. She may have just hit his car. She may not have hit his car to damage it but simply to be able to unlock it from the outside. She may have been threatening or chasing and she may not have been. But there is no proof she physically hit Tiger himself. If she did do that, it is NOT OK. But I can see the urge to get back for emotionally “hitting” her. That doesn’t make it right but it makes it somewhat understandable. But you make it as if it is fact she physically assaulted his person, and also that people condone doing that. </p>
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<p>Wow, so the only wrongdoer here to you is Elin. First, there is no known proof that she committed aggravated assault. But even so, you think only Tiger should get his “just due” in court? Only Elin (unproven) did wrong? Excuse me, but there appears to be proof and admission on Tiger’s end that he has transgressed and “done wrong”. He is not the victim.</p>
<p>PS…cross posted with busyparent.</p>
<p>" I’ve heard people say he is handsome and sophisticated. Blechh I figure my tastes must be different. He would just be the average Joe with out the millions to enhance his attractiveness."</p>
<p>I agree. Even with his billions, I find him to be average looking and bland.</p>
<p>^I thought he had bulging eyes and fish lips.</p>
<p>^^His money and athleticism is what make him sexy. It not what he looks like, but where he can bring you. That is a major turn on to many women.</p>
<p>Me personally, nothing sexier than watching a man washing dishes or doing chores.</p>
<p>For me, rock solid abs, etc. and the big $$$$'s doesn’t do it. A quick wit and higher than average IQ will get me every time. (Well, I should say GOT me in '89 when I met DH!)</p>
<p>^^^^ Interesting conversation for 7:00 in the morning. Personally, I like Tiger’s smile. He has pretty teeth. But now all I can do is think about the thoughts/behavior behind that smile, and its nauseating.</p>
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<p>AGREE! having a man cook for me, ALWAYS means the food tastes good. </p>
<p>My BF is 13 years older than me, I’m 48, he’s 61. He keeps asking me WHAT I like about him. He just looks in the mirror ans sees an older guy who has gained some weight and doesn’t look like the ‘stud’ he did when he was my age. I tell him I see a warm, caring, dedicated person who loves me. Okay, it helps that he makes a great omelette and knows how to build things with his hands and all those power tools (and do lots of other good things with those hands).</p>
<p>TMI folks… Need a morning cup of coffee first… :D</p>
<p>For me, cheating on your spouse is unforgiveable whoever does it. At the same time negotiating money in order to stay is unbelievable, unless he was keeping her on a short leash moneywise in their daily lives already. Living with someone day in day out when you no longer love them, have been humiliated by them and can no longer trust them, especially when the whole world knows about it will be impossibly difficult. At the same time, although many of us are judging here, myself included, none of us can imagine being a celebrity, being surrounded by people who think we’re marvellous and being fawned on and flirted with on a regular basis. Regular men may be lucky if one or two attractive women flirt with them in a year so no temptation makes it easy to be honorable. I am just amazed that there are any famous people who are faithful. As to his looks…I think he is good looking and makes a striking figure.</p>
<p>my BF married his ex when she was 17 and pregnant, spent nearly 20 years in a marriage from hell (I’ve met the ex, she STILL berates him). spent the next 10-15 years playing the field. He wishes he could turn back time and have spent his life with 1 person. We sometimes fantasize how our lives would have been different if we had met each other 30 years ago and spent our entire lives together. I’ve been with him when other, much younger and prettier than me, women flirt with him. He knows, after lots of experience, that the thrill of the hunt and having women throw themselves at you is not ‘where it’s at’. I ask him “why me?” and he tells me I’m the best friend he’s ever had. That look in his eyes tells me that he’s telling the truth. I trust him.</p>