<p>“She’s very naive to continue to expect Tiger to change his stripes.”</p>
<p>Hah, I love it! Next Enquirer headline: “Can Tiger change his stripes?” You heard it first here on cc folks! Apparently there was a UK tabloid out with the headline “Tiger isn’t out of the woods yet”</p>
<p>“I’m hoping that it works for the couple and their kids. If it takes moving to Norway, I say go. Will I ever look at TW the same again? No. But, if these people can survive this and change to the point that they both are positive influences on their kids, they will have done something that I will acknowledge is phenomenal”</p>
<p>Agreed, 07Dad. I wish them the best in that regard.</p>
<p>How would moving to Norway (it would actually be Sweden, I assume…) help at all? He plays umpteen (30+?) weeks of golf a year in the US. Has numerous endorsement responsibilities, probably golf course projects, etc. that will take him away from home. And it would be tough to work with his swing coach in Norway, too…</p>
<p>If I were Elin and wanted to keep my marriage together, I’d be like that NBA wife that goes to EVERY away game and is waiting outside the locker room every night for him. (Don’t recall whose wife, I just know there is at least one who does this). If he really wants to reform, he would welcome it. If he is “high T” as described above, she should make sure she is available every day for him. Better for them to try this and figure out in the next couple of years if he isn’t going to change his ways (or that they really can’t stand each other after all) and cut both their losses…</p>
<p>Why would she move to Norway? She is from Sweden.</p>
<p>As for the report in People Magazine that Elin plans to stay, that may be yesterday’s news. The issue probably went to press when only the first handful of bimbos were surfacing and when everyone was lawyering up and offering hush money… before the headcount rose to a dozen or so (sorry for the bad pun again) and before al the text messages and cellphone calls and videos started to surface. </p>
<p>He’ll probably try to claim to Elin that he said those things to these women to tell them what they wanted to hear (the “ive never felt the connection with anybody- even at home” type stuff). But gees, he has zero credibility at this point, and Elin has no reason to believe anything he says to her either. </p>
<p>I must run in the wrong circles, but I don’t know anyone personally who is consciously in a sham marriage for the lifestyle perks and who whould turn the other way and tolerate the infidelity. There may be women who feel financially trapped and unable to find employment or afford to leave a marriage for financial reasons, but the idea of a conscious sham marriage is just foreign to me, with the exception of Fl. Gov. Christ’s marriage which is for appearances only (a relative is friends with his wife and validated this).</p>
<p>She is not naive, she is a woman who is in love and heartbroken. She is a mother who doesn’t want to be the reason that the marriage ended. Yes, he caused it through the adulterous affairs, but in her eyes regarding their children she will carry the burden that she left and broke the family. My mother 27+ yrs later still carries the weight that * if she stayed* with my Dad on her shoulders. She must make a decision if she can get passed this. None of us know if he is a great DAD, a great husband in her eyes. It is not about her naivete, it is about weighing the options, especially if you are in love with the one that hurt you.</p>
<p>This is not like selling a house or stocks, there are other factors. What would you do if you loved your mate with all of your heart, never believed they were capable of doing this, was a great parent and took your vow of better or worse to the depth of your being? Could you just call it quits? How do you stop your heart from loving the one that killed you? How do you get your inner conflicts between the brain and heart to coincide? We are Catholic, married in a church, if I had to face this it would not only be about the kids or myself, but the vows we took. It would be less about him and more about me fulfilling those vows when it comes to better or worse. TW messed up, now she has the burden of reconciling how she feels about the vows and the reality she is facing. She will have her own guilt if she walks awa from the worse part of the vows. I am not saying that she should stay or go, I am saying that I can understand her choosing either path due to personal reasons.</p>
<p>From what I have read in the news, it appears she loves him with all of her being. If she didn’t, and was it for $$$ or status her butt would be back in Sweden. I think TW is in love with her. I think that he is a man like many others who doesn’t get sexual intimacy. To him it was not about emotions, it was physical. He was able to disconnect the two. For her, the physical acts were emotional. OLD CLICHE: MEN MAKE LOVE TO HAVE SEX…WOMEN HAVE SEX TO MAKE LOVE</p>
<p>"She is not naive, she is a woman who is in love and heartbroken. She is a mother who doesn’t want to be the reason that the marriage ended. Yes, he caused it through the adulterous affairs, but in her eyes regarding their children she will carry the burden that she left and broke the family. My mother 27+ yrs later still carries the weight that if she stayed with my Dad on her shoulders. She must make a decision if she can get passed this. None of us know if he is a great DAD, a great husband in her eyes. It is not about her naivete, it is about weighing the options, especially if you are in love with the one that hurt you.</p>
<p>This is not like selling a house or stocks, there are other factors. What would you do if you loved your mate with all of your heart, never believed they were capable of doing this, was a great parent and took your vow of better or worse to the depth of your being? Could you just call it quits? How do you stop your heart from loving the one that killed you? How do you get your inner conflicts between the brain and heart to coincide"</p>
<p>I grew up in a house in which my dad was unfaithful to my mom. Even as a teen, I wanted my parents to divorce, and I still am sorry that they did not. To my knowledge, my husband never has been unfaithful, but if I had learned of such actions, I would have left, and would have felt I was doing my kids a favor. </p>
<p>I understand women who stay with unfaithful men because the women lack financial resources, but Elin isn’t in that situation. If she truly plans to stay with Tiger, I feel she’s not only naive, but has incredibly low self esteem and low self worth. </p>
<p>Given Tiger’s extramarital activities as well as his business-related ones, I would think that in a divorce, he would be able to be just as involved with his kids as he has been while married. </p>
<p>Given that apparently Elin knew of Tiger’s catting around before they married, seems she was both naive and stupid to think that somehow marriage would change him. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.</p>
<p>I don’t think I could get past (a) his not using condoms or (b) badmouthing me to the other women. Those probably aren’t the biggest parts of the whole sordid situation, but they are the top things that would eat at me.</p>
<p>zoosermom, I’m on the same page as you where those are concerned.</p>
<p>“If I were Elin and wanted to keep my marriage together, I’d be like that NBA wife that goes to EVERY away game and is waiting outside the locker room every night for him.”</p>
<p>I think this might be my approach, too. Money being no object, you can bring the kids’ routine on the road. Nannies, friends for the kids, you could transport everything. Kids, let’s get to know the world’s finest golf resorts! I bet there’s a pool!</p>
<p>Paul McCartney and his first wife did this, with 4 kids, throughout their 30-year marriage. I think he said they had slept apart for four nights during that time.</p>
<p>Lest anyone think “Tiger-itis” is something new:</p>
<p>President and Mrs. Coolidge once visited a government farm, taking separate tours. Mrs. Coolidge expressed some interest in a prize rooster. The farmer told her that the rooster was able to perform the sex act several times a day. Mrs. Coolidge told the farmer “Tell that to Mr. Coolidge when he comes by.” When he got there, the farmer told him about it. Coolidge asked “Is it with the same hen every time?” “No,” the farmer said, “it’s with a different hen each time.” Coolidge said “Be sure to tell that to Mrs. Coolidge.”</p>
<p>I don’t know if the follow him on the road approach would work for me because that would mean that I’d have to sleep with him. Not sure that would be possible. I’m just a bit compulsive and can’t stand to be grossed out. I’d never get beyond thinking about where that thing had been.</p>
<p>I suspect I’d quietly buy into the separate lives thing and let him do whatever he wanted as long as he exercised more discretion in the future and never expected to get in my bed. Unless, of course, I fell in love with my something on the side.</p>
<p>She is young and beautiful and has every right to be in a relationship that meets her physical and emotional needs. If she feels she cannot comfortably be intimate with her husband, that might not be enough to justify her choosing to stay in what might possibly be an emotionally loving (though I have my doubts) but not physically loving or satisfying marriage. She shouldn’t have to make these choices or this kind of sacrifice in a marriage.</p>
<p>“I think this might be my approach, too. Money being no object, you can bring the kids’ routine on the road. Nannies, friends for the kids, you could transport everything. Kids, let’s get to know the world’s finest golf resorts! I bet there’s a pool!”</p>
<p>I’d feel like a jailer, not a wife. </p>
<p>Also, even with all of the above, if he still wanted to cheat, he could find a way. With his money and willing friends and willing potential bed partners, if he has a will, he will find a way.</p>
<p>Many celebrities have cheated with their kids’ nannies, too.</p>
<p>THanks, cur. One of my dear friends is a 70-year-old widow who is in a romantic relationship that suits her physical and emotional needs. The same was true of an 81-year-old widowed female friend who died a couple of years ago. </p>
<p>Romance, love, sex and having a mate that respects one and shares one’s values aren’t just for the young and beautiful.</p>
<p>And I know my friend jym didn’t mean it that way either. I just didn’t want her great post to be taken (or go) off-track because of an innocent turn of phrase.</p>
<p>I read the lengthy text message that’s online. I was disturbed by the questions he asked X (can’t remember which one) about who else she’d been with. Ugh.</p>
<p>BTW, I am so out of touch with all things “celebrity”, I couldn’t pick Ms. Woods out of a line-up. My concern for her is therefore un-biased by her beauty. But I’m heading to google images as we speak. ;)</p>
I’d remove the words “young” and “beautiful”. The rest of the post is spot on.</p>