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<p>" Because of Florida’s domestic-violence laws, admitting to the police that Nordegren in any way harmed him would virtually guarantee that the glamorous Elin would be led out of their mansion in handcuffs, even if he protested it.</p>

<p>In 1991, Florida became one of many states to set up a pro-arrest policy in domestic-violence cases. For years, feminist advocates had complained that police treated domestic-violence cases as private family matters and assumed the abused spouse would never follow through and press charges. </p>

<p>Beginning in the 1990s, laws began virtually to force the police to take action. The new statutes direct police to figure out who was the “primary aggressor” in a domestic dispute. They make a call based on a checklist (bruises, disparity of physical size), and then they make an arrest. Howls of protest from the abused spouse are to be ignored: “The decision to arrest and charge shall not require the consent of the victim or consideration of the relationship of the parties,” the Florida law reads…</p>

<p>Now, women are arrested in about 20 percent of domestic-violence cases. As such scenarios played out across the country, the updated domestic-violence laws accidentally created a new mythical woman: the Female Abuser. Never mind that the sociological research does not really support her existence in any great numbers.</p>

<p>A close legal reading of Woods’ statement suggests that he desperately does not want his wife to fall into this category. “He is going out of his way to protect her from any concern that she’s committed a crime,” says Kimberly Tatum, a professor and domestic-violence expert at the University of West Florida…</p>

<p>Florida state troopers are trying to get Woods’ medical records to investigate whether his injuries are consistent with a car accident or with getting bashed with a golf club. If they find the latter, then Nordegren could well be in trouble.</p>

<p>The golf club would be considered a weapon, and Nordegren would be charged with felony-aggravated battery, says Tatum. Because of Florida’s domestic-violence statutes, the police would have no choice but to arrest Nordegren, if they have “probable cause” to suspect her, whether Woods pressed charges or not. She would also not be eligible for bond but, rather, would have to stay in jail until her first appearance."</p>

<p>[Why</a> Tiger’s not talking about his accident. - By Hanna Rosin - Slate Magazine](<a href=“http://www.slate.com/id/2236957/]Why”>Why Tiger's not talking about his accident.)</p>

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<p>Dunno… I caught my ex cheating, and he was unrepentant. Good thing for him I didn’t have a golf club handy, or I would have smacked him and his car with it. So if that is the scenario (and who really knows…), I’m not feeling so sorry for him. If that is the case, SHE ought to divorce him, and take as many of his millions as she can.</p>

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<p>What about the men who catch their wives cheating and beat or kill their wives? Is that OK with you, too?</p>

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<p>If they had a fight about his affair, I can understand how she got angry enough to hit him and smash the car. I’m not saying it’s right, but I can understand it and I wouldn’t jump to “anger management problem” from that. I need a lot more information here, which I am not going to get. (Don’t put much stock in anything I say, since I was totally wrong about the Steve McNair situation, the OJ verdict AND Clarence Thomas)</p>

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<p>“If they had a fight about his affair, I can understand how she got angry enough to hit him and smash the car. I’m not saying it’s right, but I can understand it and I wouldn’t jump to “anger management problem” from that.”</p>

<p>Would you say the same thing if a guy did that after fighting with his wife about a probable affair?</p>

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<p>I find it unlikely that anyone here would say “I understand how Tiger could hit his wife in the mouth with a golf club after learning she had an affair-it’s wrong, but I understand how he could do that.”</p>

<p>The double standard is rather disturbing.</p>

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<p>As I tell my kids:</p>

<p>Nothing good ever happens after 1:00 AM.</p>

<p>(Didn’t read all post so if this has been said forgive me.)</p>

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<p>I agree with Nrdsb4. I’d have sympathy for a woman whose husband had an affair, but I wouldn’t support her in physically attacking her husband because of his behavior. I also don’t think that being pregnant or recently pregnant is an excuse for an angry woman to physically attack someone.</p>

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<p>It happens all the time. Men are held to a higher standard due to (generally) a size and strength advantage. Yes, there are laws and if she hit him she is guilty of assault. I’m just saying I understand how she could do this in her anger and frustration. They had a life they tried to keep very private and all of a sudden they are in the tabloids. She felt pretty powerless at that point.</p>

<p>I am NOT saying it is OK, but just like all the other arguments we have on this forum where everyone here is so perfect that they would never so much as drive 10 miles over the speed limit, sometimes we have to recognize realities.</p>

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<p>You’re right, they are. I get what you are saying. But I think that is wrong and maybe we need to rethink that attitude. A woman’s disadvantage due to size and strength is not so much a reality once she grabs a weapon and swings it full strength with anger and hostility. At that point, the weaker sex can inflict a fair amount of damage.</p>

<p>Who on this site ever said they were perfect and would never so much as drive 10 miles per hour over the speed limit?!</p>

<p>I don’t think any of us should expect perfection. But I don’t find it unreasonable to expect non violent ways of dealing with conflict from full grown adults.</p>

<p>I walked up from behind one of my friends once right as she swung a baseball bat and she caught me in the jaw. It was not pretty, and she was just a little girl and was just practicing her swing, not actually going for a ball. I hate to think what would have happened had she gone full out.</p>

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<p>I knew a trauma surgeon at a large metropolitan hospital who used to say the same thing all the time. After I worked a graveyard shift at the trauma ICU for a whole summer, I saw that he was right!</p>

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<p>" am NOT saying it is OK, but just like all the other arguments we have on this forum where everyone here is so perfect that they would never so much as drive 10 miles over the speed limit, sometimes we have to recognize realities."</p>

<p>There is a big difference between driving 10 miles over the speed limit and assaulting someone.</p>

<p>Men could say that it’s understandable that they would be angry enough to assault an unfaithful partner because the men could end up having to raise and financially support another man’s wife. That still doesn’t make it right for men to assault their female partners.</p>

<p>If Tiger’s wife did assault him, think about the example she was showing her kids about how to handle a dispute. Think about what it would be like to live in such a household.</p>

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<p>I understand about the double standard, but…Tiger Woods is a top-notch athlete. He’s very strong. I guess I’d feel differently if he were seriously hurt…but, still, I can’t help seeing a certain poetic justice in the situation IF he was having an affair.</p>

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<p>You haven’t been around long enough. :slight_smile: Any thread where someone has done something wrong, whether it be underage drinking, traffic violations or an affair brings out the pure and holy among us.</p>

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<p>This is one of those times I have to acknowledge my own double standard: I understand why one might physically assault someone in this situation, and that I might even do so myself, but also that it can’t be allowed. It’s about overcoming our animal nature and pushing ourselves to be better beings.</p>

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<p>If ‘le affaire Woods’ turns out to be a result of domestic violence, then perhaps these laws will finally get the scrunity that needs to be done. No honest and fair minded persons wants to deny an abused person protection, but the application of this objective has gone overboard in some states, so much that non-physical acts can get someone dispossed from their home and subject to other severe consequences. I saw it happen to a relative. No violence, no threats, no intimidation…nada. Just an argument (with no shouting) between spouses. Well, there was more to the situation than was apparent, clearly. It came out later that the female was a bit manipulative and clearly planned and waited for an opportunity to invoke the state “prevention of domestic violence act.” He wasn’t arrested but he was forced to vacate his house, as the judge later said, for “arguing with his wife and restraining her.” Restrainer her apparently meant literally grasping his spouse by the shoulders and during their arugument. I was with him in court and I couldn’t believe my ears. O.K., I guess that grasping someone by the shoulders is indeed physical contact. But how is that domestic abuse? Even in her testimony at the court hearing, the wife admitted that she wasn’t struck, wasn’t threatened, intimidated and not harmed in any way, which by the way also was stated in the police report. But she wanted a protection order anyway, which was granted. Despite the protection order, she continually sought out my relative for all kinds of nonsense, as though he was still living in the home. He knew enough to keep away and finally had the sense to file for divorce from this very imperious bully of a woman.</p>

<p>If Elin Woods was physical, then she should expect the fury of Florida law, but even if
she didn’t cause her husband’s injuries, she may be in for prosecution anyway. The domestic violence laws should protect victims, not divas of either gender. Nor should physical intimidators be let off the hook.</p>

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<p>What about it? No judge could force a suspected abuser to comply with police questioning, can s/he? Isn’t the Fifth Amendment rather clear?</p>

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<p>If all else is equal, maybe. But it isn’t. There’s $100m of annual endorsement money and a couple of kids involved here.</p>

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<p>I wonder what their pre-nup provides.</p>

<p>AH-- the unfaithful spouse–she/he had it coming when caught vs. domestic violence dilemma.</p>

<p>On the 5th amendment issue–Elin can claim it, but it seems Tiger can be forced to testify against her if Florida presses charges against her for popping him (if she did, on which I don’t have any opinion). I wonder if the state can go after her for the damage to the Escalade?</p>

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