top 15 most prestigious universities

[u_ername]

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Originally posted by **u§ername<a href=“page%20114”>/b</a>
For me personally, and pretty much the order of the first schools I’ve heard is:</p>

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<li>Harvard</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Oxford</li>
<li>Cambridge</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
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<p>everything else is about second tier and not very prestigious. What I meant by that is that they’re unbelieveably close, and only recognized by specific people/places.

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Originally posted by **1780<a href=“Page%20118”>/b</a>
Outside of HYPSM, Oxford, and Cambridge regional (east coast, west coast, midwest, southern, international) biases begin to creep in to the list and prestige is relative. After those 7 the other 8 are moot.

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<p>Yup I think we agree.</p>

[IBclass06]

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@Hope2getrice

So no, IBClass06, Hopkins is not “just another top 20 university” with a medical school. It easily outclasses Northwestern, Duke, and WashU in many arenas, despite what you say. Maybe the “revealed preference” list is your basis for support

No, my basis for support is things like the NRC rankings. You know, those rankings done by the NRC (functioning under the NAS and NAE) that measured 41 fields. The ones where Hopkins was outranked by 15-20 other research universities and certainly came nowhere close to “easily outclassing” Duke and Northwestern. </p>

<p>[NRC</a> Rankings](<a href=“NRC Rankings”>NRC Rankings)</p>

<p>Look, Hopkins is a great school that I respect a lot. If you read over my list, I included it in my list of the top 15 most prestigious universities. It’s a top 15 university at best, though, and no amount of pom-pon waving or glossy brochures is going to change that anytime soon.</p>

[Hope2getrice]

<p>^^ where, I see, it seems to rank exactly the same as Duke? </p>

<p>+, those are from 1995 or 1993. I forget. but since then, Hopkins and quite a lot of other schools on that list have added new programs, improved others, and/or removed others.</p>

<p>I’ll wait for the next one.</p>

<p>edit:</p>

<p>I’m sure you’re willing to say schools like Pittsburgh, Penn State, UC San Diego,a nd Minnesota are better than both Hopkins and Duke. lol</p>

<p>edit:
plus, the average of all 41 scores puts MIT below North Carolina and duke/hop</p>

<p>Harvard Chicago and Yale are all below either Hop or Duke for number of rated programs…etc.</p>

<p>the list of issues with this list goes on…lol</p>

[ring_of_fire_1]

<p>Then so be it. There are some areas that Duke excels in that Harvard and Yale do not. Posters on CC want to believe that Harvard is the best school in the universe because it has been ingrained in their heads at an early age and no amount of relevant statistics or evidence showing otherwise will change their minds anytime soon.</p>

<p>HYPSM is a somewhat arbitrary acronym. MIT only excels in math/science/engineering and a limited number of social science fields. Princeton doesn’t even have graduate programs in many, many areas.</p>

<p>If we’re ignoring selectivity and the USNews criteria that people on CC love to hate, then Duke and JHU are on par with Princeton.</p>

<p>What makes Princeton special is its exceptionally talented undergraduate student body, incredible undergraduate focus/resources and incredible alumni support. In all other measures, it is a mere top 15 school at best.</p>

<p>Yale is the same way in many regards. Yale and Princeton can’t touch Harvard, Berkeley, Stanford or MIT.</p>

<p>Those 4 schools are on a whole another level if we’re talking quality of academic programs.</p>

[Phead128]

<p>Hopkins consistently ranks among the top 10 in terms of Peer Assessment scores tied with Columbia, UChicago, and Cornell.</p>

<p>Hopkins has consistently been ranked among the top 15. Hopkins is one of the handful of universities to be among the “top ten club” of USNews report… twice in 1996 and 2000, if I remembered correctly.</p>

<p>Hopkins is the only university to have breached the $1 billion dollar research spending limit mark and has led the nation in R&D expenditures for the past 28 years in a row. Hopkins is a massive research enterprise powerhouse (first research university in America)</p>

<p>JHU is top 10 in over 45 graduate fields and the academic clout is further bolstered by the completion of largest completeduniversity fund raising campaign in US History ($3.75 billion dollars) in 2008.</p>

<p>Hopkins is affiliated with a total of 32 Nobel Prize Winners, (higher than Caltech [31], WUSTL [22], UPenn [21], Michigan [19], CMU [17], LSE [16], **Duke **[12], etc.)</p>

<p>Duke stole Hopkins Nobel Prize winning chemist Peter Agre who discovered aquaporins or water channels which allow water to flow in between the cellular interior and it’s environment, so technically, it’s 11, not 12. :)</p>

[Phead128]

<p>…though NYC Mayor/Billionaire philantropist Michael Bloomberg (Engr '64, Harvard MBA) and a whole host of other generous donors endowed the Johns Hopkins Malaria Institute at the School of Public Health (#1 School of Public Health by USNews).The Nobel Prize winning Chemist Peter Agre was later persuaded to return back from Duke to Hopkins as the Director of the new Malaria Institute.</p>

<p>The Malaria Institute itself is like $125 million dollars… ridiculous. Hopkins will do anything it takes to get back Peter Agre. :P</p>

[IBclass06]

<p>Gosh, why do Duke and Hopkins always get dragged into every thread? (I try not to promote any certain school, although I do have to get props to my flagship public from time to time when it’s undervalued.)</p>

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@ring&lt;em&gt;of&lt;/em&gt;fire

Princeton doesn’t even have graduate programs in many, many areas…If we’re ignoring selectivity and the USNews criteria that people on CC love to hate, then Duke and JHU are on par with Princeton…In all other measures, it is a mere top 15 school at best.

This is a common misconception that I truly do not understand. While Princeton lacks professional schools, its graduate programs are extraordinarily strong.</p>

<p>In the last NRC ranking, Harvard and Yale had 30 programs represented; Princeton had 29. In the new NRC ranking, Princeton and Harvard have 33 and 35 programs represented, respectively. Princeton (#4) is pretty much on par with Harvard (#3) at the graduate level.</p>

<p>Although Duke may be stronger in a few areas than Harvard, overall it’s a weaker university. That’s not to say that students would necessarily be better served at the latter, but it’s fairly safe to say that Harvard is generally a stronger university than Duke.</p>

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@Phead128

Hopkins consistently ranks among the top 10 in terms of Peer Assessment scores…Hopkins has consistently been ranked among the top 15. Hopkins is one of the handful of universities to be among the “top ten club” of USNews report… twice in 1996 and 2000, if I remembered correctly.

I’m actually very glad you brought that up. I didn’t realize it until I looked it up just now, but the top 17 universities for peer assessment are the exact same 17 universities I listed way back in March. :D</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/570581-usnwr-2009-looking-top-strata-vii-undergraduate-peer-assessment.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/570581-usnwr-2009-looking-top-strata-vii-undergraduate-peer-assessment.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1062096759-post1630.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1062096759-post1630.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>If you’re going to mention anomalies in JHU’s ranking, it’s only fair to also mention that it was ranked #22 one year.</p>

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@Phead128

Duke stole Hopkins Nobel Prize winning chemist Peter Agre who discovered aquaporins or water channels which allow water to flow in between the cellular interior and it’s environment, so technically, it’s 11, not 12.

Oh, come on. It’s common knowledge that most universities play exceedingly fast and loose with their Nobel numbers. Chicago is particularly notorious for this, often counting researchers who were only affiliated with the university for a year or two.</p>

[GoBlue81]

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are you trying to insinuate that there is a significant difference between UCSF’s med school and Duke’s med school? really? reallllllly?

Just answering a direct question. For the record, I don’t believe there is a significant difference between Duke and UCSF. In fact, I don’t think there are significant differences in quality among the top 10 medical schools.</p>

<p>Besides, this ranking is for “research”. It doesn’t necessarily mean that you will get the best medical school education at Harvard. One medical student told me she was disappointed at her short term internship experience at Stanford … too many chiefs and not enough indians.</p>

[GoBlue81]

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There are some areas that Duke excels in that Harvard and Yale do not. Posters on CC want to believe that Harvard is the best school in the universe because it has been ingrained in their heads at an early age and no amount of relevant statistics or evidence showing otherwise will change their minds anytime soon.

This is one of the few times I agree with ring completely.</p>

[1789]

<p>Princeton is associated with Albert Einstein, and this tremendously adds to the university’s prestige. Duke, JHU, and Michigan while very good names simply don’t have this type of association or jewel in their crown. Princeton certainly belongs in the top 7. </p>

<p>Prestige is derived primarily from the traditions, alumni, professors, selectivity, and desirability associated with an institution OVER TIME. For this reason, younger schools, however good they maybe, are at a disadvantage, and unfortunately need a major shock or breakthrough to disrupt the established order.</p>

[ring_of_fire_1]

<p>Wait, ARE YOU SERIOUS? I never knew Albert Einstein was associated with Princeton. Wow! I knew about John Nash but he’s not quite as famous…</p>

[u_ername]

<p>Albert Einstein was cal-tech wasn’t he?</p>

[IBclass06]

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@1789

Princeton is associated with Albert Einstein, and this tremendously adds to the university’s prestige.

Again, a common misconception.</p>

<p>Einstein was at the Institute for Advanced Study. It is located in Princeton, NJ, but it has no formal affiliation with Princeton University. Although it undoubtedly benefited from his presence, Princeton has no claim to Einstein. Similarly, Duke and UNC have no claim to any of the scholars at the nearby National Humanities Center.</p>

[eatsalot]

<p>yeah lol princeton = john nash.</p>

[Hope2getrice]

<p>1789, are you JOKING with the Einstein shtick? lol.
FIRST of all, NO ONE associates Einstein with Princeton except for you, clearly.
Second of all, Duke and JHU have their jewels easily.
Melinda Gates, Elizabeth Dole, Richard Nixon, Ron Paul, and more all went to Duke.
Peter Agre, Richard Axel, Robert Fogel, Daniel Nathans, Spiro T. Agnew, Madeline Albright, Michael Bloomberg, Michael Steele, Timothy Geitner, Michael Griffin, Gertrude Stein, Wolf Blitzer, John Barth, Russell Baker, Tori Amos (Peabody), and John C. Malone amongst others have all gone to JHU.
And BOTH JHU and Princeton share Woodrow Wilson as an alumni ;)</p>

<p>so…yeah.
Duke and JHU both have many crown jewels.</p>

[1789]

<p>Actually, I’m not joking.</p>

<p>[Princeton</a> Alumni Weekly: Letter Box](<a href=“http://www.princeton.edu/paw/web_exclusives/more/more_letters/letters_einstein.html]Princeton”>http://www.princeton.edu/paw/web_exclusives/more/more_letters/letters_einstein.html)</p>

<p>Clearly I’m not the only one who associates Einstein with Princeton.</p>

[rocket6louise]

<p>I know its not a university, but i think the most presitgious school in the country is Julliard…hands down</p>

[eatsalot]

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I know its not a university, but i think the most presitgious school in the country is Julliard…hands down

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<p>For … music. Harvard can’t be beat, sorry.</p>

[rocket6louise]

<p>You never said what you had to be presitigious for.
You say Julliard and people expect greatness…</p>

<p>I don’t like Harvard personally, in fact none of the Ivies wow me</p>

[u_ername]

<p>not really. You say Julliard and they go like wt* is that?</p>