Transfer Admissions Announcement

<p>Well, teenagers always DO need a token adult to remind us that society considers our opinions worthless. That’s a good point to keep in mind, so thanks for that. Beyond that, though, nothing was contributed. (In 2003 the no-transfer announcement was made in a <em>timely</em> fashion. Also, please don’t presume to prove a point based on who you think - <em>on an online forum</em> - is a student and, especially, who you think is a lawyer or an adult. Finally, leave it to the professionals to judge what’s news and what isn’t.)</p>

<p>That aside: I read every posts here, and as a freshman applicant to Harvard I really, really feel for the transfer applicants. I know how much time, money, and effort it cost me to apply to each college, and I feel that a $250 reimbursement would be the least Harvard could do. That being said, obviously they won’t.</p>

<p>Harvard did well by being honest about the reason for not admitting people. But the decision to cut transfer admissions? Unpardonable.</p>

<p>No one has suggested this yet, but Harvard had multiple options:

  • Put transfer students on the waitlist instead of freshman admits.
  • Cut down on freshman admits to accept a modicum of transfers.
  • Give transfers the chance to live in housing nearby - and offer to pay for it.</p>

<p>There are always choices, and we often deceive ourselves when we claim that we have but one option.</p>

<p>On the bright (if anecdotal) side, my Harvard interviewer (who spent his undergrad years at Yale and law school at Harvard) basically suggested that I attend Yale instead if I were admitted to both. Look at your other options and don’t feel like missing out on Harvard was <em>too</em> much of a loss.</p>

<p>Best of luck too all those who were affected. I’ll write to the dean - AFTER I get my admissions decision :-p</p>

<p>xjayz - I realized my mistake after posting, you must have been in the process of replying before I corrected myself.</p>

<p>It’s good they’re returning the fees, I suppose that’s literally the least they could do.</p>

<p>“no matter what the school’s defenders say.”</p>

<p>Who are these supposed defenders? I see none.</p>

<p>Among the other rotten consequences of this decision is that even if they reinstate the transfer program down the line, there’s going to be a minimum two-year gap in the classes. That means no Transfer Links program and no institutional memory – the hypothetical fall 2010 transfers won’t have any former transfers to show them the ropes. That’s crummy.</p>

<p>I agree with twinmom that renting additional housing is no solution. If you’re not part of a House community, you’re not part of the college.</p>

<p>However, I don’t agree that asking everyone to stay calm and make the best of a bad situation is defending the college.</p>

<p>Again, I totally sympathize with and agree with the distress of all of the transfer applicants.</p>

<p>However, housing transfers nearby and not putting them into a residential community would not be a very good option. Harvard is centered around its residential life. Although this may seem like “better than nothing,” it really would not make for a very good college experience.</p>

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<p>That seems at least like it’s justifying Harvard’s actions, which seems like a defense to me.</p>

<p>“That means no Transfer Links program and no institutional memory – the hypothetical fall 2010 transfers won’t have any former transfers to show them the ropes. That’s crummy.”</p>

<p>Hey Hanna, that’s exactly what the current transfers are worried about. The current links and esp. the co-chairs are up in arms about this; unfortunately, many were already out of town when this decision was made. Hopefully the current (and perhaps even past) transfer community can question how the College plans to address this issue.</p>

<p>I’d put my money on Harvard’s planning to permanently end its transfer program. There won’t be any 2010 transfers.</p>

<p>I suspect that Harvard will wait until the effects of its new financial aid policies (and RD) are known before deciding on whether to resume transfer apps. Discontinuing transfers permanently wouldn’t surprise me, but I agree this year might have been handled better. I feel badly for all affected. And, for what it is worth, if any of you are considering eventually applying to the Harvard trade schools (law, bus etc), it can often be advantageus to apply out of a “lesser” school with a very high gpa than to be a harvard B student, assuming comparable standard tests. Good luck.</p>

<p>yes, I’d have to agree with northstarmom, it looks like Harvard is looking to phase out the program entirely.</p>

<p>another interesting point that nobody seems to have brought up is that in the letter sent to applicants, it says that harvard does not accept any non-residential transfer students. this is completely untrue. I know several transfers here, who, for a variety of reasons, live off campus.</p>

<p>you can even read about one right here:
[The</a> Harvard Crimson :: News :: A Ticket Out of Poverty](<a href=“http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=521261]The”>http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=521261)</p>

<p>the letter is here, post #1,
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/transfer-students/476664-harvard-will-not-accept-transfers-next-two-years.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/transfer-students/476664-harvard-will-not-accept-transfers-next-two-years.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Calling Hahvahd arrogant is like calling water wet.</p>

<p>I applied this year as a Transfer applicant to Harvard…I had everything betting on my acceptance. Harvard was my dream…I saved up money as often as I could to go visit…I was told I had a chance. And for this to happen is an absolute outrage. This has completely destroyed me emotionally. I cannot believe how disrespectful Harvard has been to me and the 1000 or so other applicants. I am FURIOUS!</p>

<p>And how dare people say we are overreacting. YOU spend as much time as I did on my application, SAT’s, ACT’s, SAT 2’s, EC’s, and schoolwork only to come home and receive an e-mail saying I have no chance…and to apply to the “Visiting Undergraduate Program” if I really want to go.</p>

<p>SO NO…I (AND THE OTHER PEOPLE ON HERE) ARE NOT OVERREACTING!</p>

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<p>That’s not a help to this year’s transfer applicants because freshmen and upperclassmen live in different housing at Harvard. </p>

<p>Who am I? A four-admission-season participant on CC who has seen a lot of young people freak out in March or early April but ultimately settle down to thrive in next school year’s college setting, whether they get into their favorite college or not. Oh, and also one of the several lawyers posting in this thread, who doesn’t see a good case here for the transfer applicants (who were, as I agree, not treated in the best way) to take into the court system.</p>

<p>Totally unreasonable to change the policy when they’ve already accepted transfer applications. They cashed the checks, they should be obligated to offer transfer spaces. Isn’t that called bait and switch?</p>

<p>Wouldn’t Harvard offer any compensations to those who applied for a transfer? (Other than the application fee, testing fee and all such things)</p>

<p>Putting so much emotion at stake for a school that it ridiculously hard to get into in the first place (and doubly so as a transfer) is generally a set-up for disaster.
And clearly, you’ve crossed that line if it has “completely destroyed [you] emotionally”. Don’t LET HARVARD do that to you. Please.</p>

<p>Personally, I would rather have $75.00 than the “validation” (in whatever sort of paradoxical way a rejection letter validates your efforts - so you claim) of a rejection letter.</p>

<p>Money refund, or compensation wouldn’t be the most important.</p>

<p>What’s really important is that, this year, all Harvard transfer applicants (worldwide) lost their opportunities. There’s no equal chance for everyone to compete at all. Not to mention the fact that we are treated this disrespectfully.</p>

<p>Hey guys,</p>

<p>So I am on the Undergraduate Council’s open list (though I am not part of the UC myself), and this is a topic that has just been raised on the open list. Here are some quotations from current undergraduates:</p>

<p>It started off with this:</p>

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<p>We had follow ups:</p>

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<p>And finally:</p>

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<p>So it has become somewhat of a hot topic on campus!</p>

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That’s an easy problem to solve. House transfers with freshmen, but have them associated with a House. You could even put them all in one entryway or one floor of one of the freshmen dorms so that they wouldn’t be completely surrounded by freshmen.</p>

<p>I have no horse in this race, but I think it’s pretty unfair to decide after the fact for this year’s class of transfer hopefuls to give them no chance at all. I’d rather they reduced the size of the freshman class slightly. There would have been no problem in my mind if they’d made this decision a few months ago.</p>

<p>they encouraged over 1000 people to apply to transfer to their school. now, by even ALLOWING students to apply as transfers is proof that they were going to take at least 1 person. if they weren’t going to take anybody, they wouldn’t have had a transfer application process, OR there would have been a clear message months ago stating “please note that there is a possibility that nobody will be accepted as a transfer student but we still encourage you to apply”. there was none of this to my knowledge. That right there is leading a person to believe that they have a sliver of hope of getting in when in fact there was a 0% chance. that is a blatant lie and the school should be brought to justice. it doesn’t make a bit of difference that harvard is near impossible get into. its the principal of the thing.</p>

<p>by holding a transfer admission process without any prior notification that they may not take a single person is definitely a guarantee that they will be considered. it makes absolutely no difference if they took 1 or all 1200. the fact is, not one of those applicants had a chance to gain admission. why in the world would someone take all that motherloving time to get recs together, write essays, etc. if there was a 0% chance to get in? just for s and giggles? absolutely not.</p>

<p>Harvard University is a disgrace. I have absolutely no respect for this institution, when they should have all the respect in the world.</p>