<p>2006: NE-region Christian Bible College
Took courses such as Intro to Christian Living, Christians in modern history, history of the denomination the school is associated with, Bible study classes, etc. and ended up with a 0.0 GPA for the year.</p>
<p>2012: Local community college
50 credits of the calculus 1-3 sequence, linear algebra, physics 1-3 (all with labs), general chemistry 1-2 (all with labs), and some other general education requirements such as English and sociology and ended up with a 3.9 GPA at this institution. Has also performed a year’s worth of research and looking to get published.</p>
<p>Cumulative GPA estimated to be around 2.0 or so (according to one school that has rejected the student).</p>
<p>Student has been rejected by schools such as CUNY City College, SUNY Stony Brook, SUNY Buffalo, etc. but has been accepted by some out of state schools such as UIUC which student cannot afford.</p>
<p>Student is an NYC resident, low income (below 2013 poverty guidelines), needs affordable school that Pell, TAP, Stafford loans, and work-study will cover.</p>
<p>Unless Op stated at CUNY CC as a College discovery student, s/he will not be eligible for EOP.</p>
<p>IF OP needs full financial aid; full tap/Pell and loans s/he will accrue 25k in loans (as an independent student) to finish at SUNY where op should be able to graduate debt free at CUNY.</p>
<p>OP needs to see the transfer co-coordinator at his/her CC. You will probably have a better outcome if you complete the associates degree and transfer the full AA degree, than trying to transfer before you complete the degree (as many schools will have articulation agreements for admissions provided you transfer with an associates degree). </p>
<p>If OP is looking to transfer before completing the associates, s/he also needs to investigate other CUNY institutions. While Op may not be admissible to some of the more competitive SUNY/CUNY school, Op will be able to obtain a transfer and get a degree.</p>
<p>Was the “Christian Bible College” an accredited degree granting institution? Do the courses even count as “college” and qualify to be factored in to a cumulative GPA? </p>
<p>I’m liking the 3.9 GPA from 2012 – in real academic subjects. Perhaps the answer lies with a school with substantial assistance for non-traditional students.</p>
<p>Yes, it’s accredited by the Middle States Commission on Higher Education. However, when schools like UIUC were evaluating the transfer credits, they only accepted the credits from the community college.</p>
<p>I know (s)he’s not eligible for HEOP. I also know that sometimes the HEOP people at a given school will help advise others at the same school who are also disadvantaged.</p>
<p>Out of curiosity, how many semesters did the student spend at the first college and how many credits were attempted there? </p>
<p>Also, what were his/her SAT scores. While SATs usually won’t matter for transfer students with substantial credits to transfer in, the student here has had a past history of literally flunking several courses at a previous school which depending on number of semesters and credits attempted, may have SATs evaluated and if they’re considered “too low” may also serve as a barrier to admission. </p>
<p>This is especially the case if he/she was applying to competitive programs within the given NY-based public universities such as engineering, pre-med, or pharmacy.</p>
<p>Many (many, many) years ago I went to college, a regular university, and bombed out spectacularly. After 2 years working, I applied to SUNY Buffalo, explained my first college experience (basic story, I was 17 and unmotivated), and got in. I had no special circumstances.</p>
<p>I understand this was a long time ago and things have changed, but with the lapse in time since the Bible college, and the good record at the CC, I’m surprised this student is having a problem getting accepted. I would call the schools he’s interested in and ask to speak to a transfer admissions officer and talk to him or her about his desire to transfer there.</p>
<p>It’s too bad the student can’t just drop the whole bible college year entirely, since s/he apparently didn’t take any “real” subjects there anyway and it was so long ago. Does one HAVE to declare such an experience? It is hard to believe that it is relevant. I would think it would be preferable to just walk away from whatever scant credits were obtained, if any.</p>
<p>The student doesn’t have a transcript readily available from the old school, but approximately 30 credits or so. SAT score from 2005 was a 1790/2400 but can be retaken if necessary as the student never studied for the SAT before.</p>
<p>Intended major is either physics or math, depending on which program is stronger at the school of choice.</p>
<p>The schools ask for transcripts from all previous institutions and the student was paranoid about getting expelled from school if they ever found out that the Bible college was not reported during admissions. The student also has loans from the Bible college, so it would probably show up anyway.</p>
<p>I don’t know what 30 credits means, to tell you the truth, because I am only familiar with schools where a course is a course, and one needs a certain number of courses to graduate (typically 32 if on a semester system, 36 if on a quarter system). How much of an academic year or how many regular courses is this 30 credits equivalent to?</p>
<p>^most general courses are 3 credits. Courses with labs and some language courses with language labs are 4 or 5. So 30 credits probably translates to about 10 courses.</p>
<p>Okay, but you said that the GPA was 0.0, which would indicate that the student flunked everything. Would a student get transfer credit for a flunked course? I doubt it. So if the student isn’t going to get any credit for these–mostly bogus-sounding, IMHO–courses anyway, why would the student saddle him or herself with a record of that year? Why not just treat CC year one as year one, with an excellent GPA in real courses, and work towards transferring after year two?</p>
<p>Schools require transcripts from all previously matriculated institutions. Even if the Bible college is not reported, the schools will see it anyway because the student owes loans from the Bible college. If the student does not supply the transcript from the previous institution, they may punish the student by automatically denying admission or otherwise.</p>
<p>When applying for college, grad school, professional school you must submit official transcripts from **every single school you have attended<a href=“for%20law%20school,%20the%20LSAC%20asks%20for%20college%20courses%20that%20you%20took%20in%20high%20school”>/b</a>. It does not matter that he went to bible college 7 years ago and received no credit, s/he must still submit the transcripts. Willful misrepresentation would be grounds from rescinding acceptance prior to matriculation, suspension or expulsion once matriculated or rescinding degree (leaving Op with a worthless piece of paper).</p>
<p>If you are attending your CUNY CC essentially for free because your FA is covering it, it is in your best interest to transfer when you are completing the associates. The challenge is that you have to put some distance between you and your old transcript. The transfer is going to be much easier if you are transferring with an associates.</p>
<p>Stony Brook specifically states:</p>
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<p>If in your remaining courses toward the associates degree, you can raise your GPA where you can have an overall 3.0 gpa, you will have a better outcome in the transfer process. No matter where you apply, you should include an addendum stating what happened at the beginning of your college career.</p>
<p>I agree…the transcript from the Bible college needs to be included. But the transfer advisor from the CC should be some help as noted upstream here.</p>
<p>And as the outlier here…those bible college courses would have been useful courses IF the student had passed them all and gotten his degree from that school. Just saying.</p>
<p>No, most of the courses (like 8/10) were school-specific (the course titles had the school’s name in it) and non-transferrable (as per transfer credit evaluations from a couple different schools; even if the courses were passed, transfer credits would not be receive). If a degree was obtained from the school, the student would not receive financial aid later on (Lifetime Eligibility Usage).</p>
<p>You are going to hit the 6 year lifetime eligibility usage no matter where you attend. how many credits/ how much time do you need before you complete the associates? How long have you been attending your current community college?</p>
<p>Will you have enough time to complete a bachelors degree before you you hit your lifetime eligibility usage?</p>
<p>Have you checked the articulation agreements at your current community college?</p>