Turning down Ivy's and prestige privates for Michigan

We went to a reunion with many seniors this weekend. These are mostly upper middle class families, all full pay. Many of them are turning down privates after seeing the prices of $50-$70K/yr vs $25K for in-state.

Parent 1: Sure, Columbia is better, but it isn’t 3.5x better (referring to tuition cost) (molecular biology)
Parent 2: We have a top 5 university in our backyard. He would be crazy not to go. (engineering)
Parent 3: I think she would do better near home. Stanford is too far away. (undecided)
Parent 4: You turned down Michigan for Rice? Seriously? (engineering)

In this small group of mostly STEM kids, Michigan’s yield is about 75%. Anyone else having similar experiences with their seniors?

small size. Even when I matriculated, I know some that turned down Brown and Cornell for Michigan because of costs.

though I would not turn down Stanford if I had the chance.

Over the last 3-4 years, I have seen dozens of kids turn down schools like Brown, Cal, CMU, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Duke, Emory, JHU, Northwestern, Penn, Rice, Vanderbilt, WUSTL etc… in favor of Michigan. Such occurrences are commonplace. It should be noted that in many circles, Michigan is just as well regarded as private elites.

IMO, Michigan is a worthy peer to many of these top names, especially in STEM, and especially if money is a material consideration. Also, a bit more of the traditional college experience (sports, etc.). A great choice for many.

Historically – founding days until post World War II – Michigan was always exceptionally strong in the humanities, and very strong in the sciences…a slight edge being given to humanities. Indeed, while Hopkins claims to be the first research university, 20 years before Hopkins was founded, Michigan’s president returned from a trip to Europe and began organizing the curriculum around the sciences and around research. This approach to the curriculum gained new energy post World War II. When MIT needed to crank up the pace, they hired Jerome Weisner, a Michigan Ph.D., and possibly the most important figure to take MIT deeper into the century using the ocean of research money garnered from defense work in the post-Sputnik world. MIT went back to the well some years later and hired Charles Vest, another Michigan Ph.D. Vest solidified the campus’s funding and created new opportunities for women. Thus 2 out of the last 4 MIT presidents were educated at Michigan.

During the same period, Michigan was not idle. Circa 1950 or so (would have to check the date) Michigan began building an entirely new campus on the property (840 acres or so, or roughly the same size as New York’s central park) which would be named North Campus. Originally, this campus was purpose built for engineering. The footage under roof probably differs, but the land mass is probably 6 times the size of MIT and like MIT, the rankings are in the low single digits for almost every program. Since the founding of that campus, other activities have been mixed in to create convenience for students on that campus.

In the recent past – roughly since the turn of this century – Michigan has reinvigorated its approach to science, this time the life sciences. Michigan has poured over 1,000,000 square feet of buildings on central campus to make space for the sciences which are still quite hard core, but somehow associated with the humanities rather than the ultra hard core work done on North campus. Michigan continues to up the ante with a huge new biology building, and purchased roughly 1,400,000 sqft of lab space from Pfizer. So, while Harvard is too impoverished to get their Alston campus off of the ground, and continues to be a hedge fund with a fine university attached, Michigan has built one entirely new campus, renovated its central campus and continues to build out the Pfizer property.

Thus, as altmusicman suggests, Michigan has been a peer and a destination for kids who want to study STEM. Michigan doesn’t seem to be slacking off and continues to run the 2nd largest university research portfolio in the world. While contracting economics nationally may threaten that budget, Michigan appears to be well positioned entering this century and entering the beginning of its third century.

Beyond the physical facilities, Michigan students can boast an interquartile range – the middle 50% – which is almost indistinguishable from Brown, Cornell and Penn.

Michigan’s scholarship may be seen in faculty awards, patents, and citations which rank that faculty in the top 10 (more likely top 5 in aggregate) in the country, if not the world.

Between bleeding-edge facilities, strength of students, strength of faculty and the fastest rising endowment in the country over the last 25 years, Michigan has it all and offers it all to students savvy enough to come to Ann Arbor.

Go Blue!

No surprise to me. Why are you surprised?

My nephew applied to college this year and will be a Freshmen in the fall of 2016. His top two acceptances were Michigan and Cornell. Our family has strong ties to both, but he has opted to Go Blue! Yet another example of a student choosing Michigan over a private peer.

I was in the Honors college when I was at Michigan for undergrad… was not uncommon to hear stories of students turning down big name schools like Princeton for Michigan (usually for financial reasons)

WSJ list of top ranked colleges by job recruiters:
UMich in the Top10.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704358904575477643369663352

My son is weighing this choice right now…UM or Cornell. He’d be a Biology major (LSA at UM or CALS at Cornell) and feels that academically, they’re pretty similar. Has the chance to play a sport at Cornell, though he’s weighing overall “fit” ahead of the athletic opportunity. I could see him going either way and being happy with his decision.

MountainGrl, the Cornell vs Michigan choice is extremely difficult. They are so alike that the decision really boils down to personal preference…assuming, of course, that cost of attendance is not a concern.

I am currently in the college of engineering and chose Michigan over Northwestern. Best choice of my life. Even beyond the amazing college experience Michigan offers, it has so much more to offer in alumni networking and job placement. It is honestly amazing how well the College of Engineering sets up their students to get legitimate, high-paying jobs in engineering by the time they graduate. I am not sure I would be able to find that kind of support at a smaller and/or less prestigious university.

My son ended up choosing UM over Cornell. Though he’d have loved being part of sports team where he was offered a spot at Cornell, he felt that he’d fit better at UM. He’s looking forward to being a Wolverine!

I can think of two examples right off the top of my head:

One friend who chose Michigan over Cornell, one friend who chose Michigan over WUSTL.

My daughter’s friend just this year chose Michigan over Yale. And almost didn’t BECAUSE of financial reasons…but UM came through in the end!!

It is nonsensical if there is even the slightest consideration of money to not go to UMich in state.

UMich is excellent. One of my son’s friends with a 4.67 GPA went there.

If you don’t get into Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton, etc…

rhandco, in the real world (corporate America), and in academe, Michigan (and other public elites such as Cal, UCLA, UVa) is overwhelmingly as well regarded (and “prestigious”) as private elites such as Brown, Chicago, Columbia, Cornell Dartmouth, Duke, Emory, Georgetown, JHU, Northwestern, Penn, Rice, Vanderbilt, WUSTL etc…It is among the masses, particularly ultra competitive, often snobby, nouveau riche parents and impressionable high schoolers, that Michigan falls short. Of course, you have many among the masses who give Michigan its due, and you have some in the real world and in academe who don’t, but those are outliers.

We are OOS.

@MountainGrl

I think your son is in good hands. I am an OOS student and I love it here.