UC Davis vs UW vs IU Kelley vs NEU vs CWRU vs SCU

Hi - This forum has been fantastic, so wanted to ask amazing members here for feedback
i have secured admission as follows

  1. pre-business to IU and UW - Did not get direct admits to Kelley or Foster (typically takes 3.8 GPA for transfers after sophomore)
  2. Managerial economics to UC Davis
  3. Business at D’amore NEU Boston, Weatherhead CWRU and Leavey SCU

i am out of state for all these programs, good aid at CWRU, no aid otherwise, assume can afford any of these schools. I am hardworking and have good grades(~3.9) in high school top 15% in a top 5 school. I am interested in Business, Econ, Policy but not interested in Accounting/pure finance careers. At this time, thinking of job after undergrad , might do masters later. Immediate Family in Bay area and some in seattle.
First and foremost , very grateful for these accepts , i understand that there are several talented students that will be happy to take these spots. So i do want to make a choice in the next 2 weeks and allow waitlist candidates to get to the other schools.

Please advice on how we should think through these schools , i am somewhat worried about class sizes of public schools in first 2 years coming from a 30 class size, but i have also heard feedback that large universities provides more options and are more diverse. Prefer warmer weather but it is not the most important critieria and would prefer programs that would allow me to dive into interdisciplinary topics.
Thanks so much for your valuable inputs !

I don’t think you should major in business if you are not interested in accounting. You will have multiple accounting classes.

So I’d choose my school not intending business.

If you still want to be a business major anyway, then one of the schools in #3 because I’d always choose direct admit.

Every school in America will set you up for job success but moreso you and not the school. So all these choices are fine.

Good luck.

Thanks much! Perfectly ok with accounting classes (my mom used to be an accountant and auditor maybe that threw me off :slight_smile: ) , i meant that i did not want to pursue that part of business.. Is there a big difference between say major in Economics and minor in business in a good school like in #1,2 vs #3 ?

Econ is a social science. It’s going to be theory vs the practical.

If you want a specific business role, choose business.

All the schools you list are solid but as an example, IU is known for business, not Econ. Doesn’t mean Econ isn’t good.

You should figure out what you want to study - then choose the appropriate school.

If I want to study a business discipline, I’m going direct admit.

That’s me.

If you don’t like the schools in #3 or the costs are too much (they are) I’m finding one of the many other direct admit programs still taking apps.

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Have you visited any of these schools? They are all very different. SCU, CWRU are smaller schools. NEU is mid sized large. Davis, IU, and UW are huge.

Davis is ruralish. Probably like IU. SCU is suburbanish as is UW. NEU is urban. Probably like CWRU.

Weather wise, NEU, IU, and CWRU snow and are cold. UW rains. Davis can get hot in the summer. Santa Clara is pretty nice year round.

Program wise, they are all similar. Other than IU and maybe shorter, they are all generally very good regional business programs. IU is more national leaning Midwest to East coast and UW more west coast primarily NW.

SCU, UW are more semi target schools for certain areas for business. Accounting, finance, tech. IU semi target consulting, finance, IB marketing, and entrepreneurship. I hear international and global market is a strength.

As for NEU, CWRU, UCD, they are good programs but not targets or semi targets. Maybe Davis may be stronger in tech with the STEM focus.

If you are interested in Economics and policy it may not matter if you are a business major. You may want to major in economics. But as mentioned, it is more theory and does require a higher level of math. Business is more practical and has less math, but does have quite a bit of accounting classes.

Depending on what you want to do, this can open you up for different college choices and opportunities and does not constrain you should you not get admitted to the undergraduate business school.

However, if business, what field exactly of. Or accounting or finance? Tech? IB? Consulting? Like tabna44 mentions, it’s always preferable to be a direct admit.

SCU Leavey is a very good school and there’s likely connection in tech since you are in the heart of the Silicon Valley. Great weather. Ok area (Santa Clara/San Jose is ok but not the greatest college town in my mind). Class size is relatively small considering the fact that the school itself only has around 6500 undergrads. Appears to be approx 2000 students both grad and undergrad. It’s got a nice campus, and respected program. Alumni network is probably mostly on the South Bay Area.

NEU is much different than SCU. The location is great, in the heart of Boston. Not the greatest weather and can get cold. Probably good opportunities in finance and tech, and Boston is a great city to go to college. Looks like there’s a lot of fun fraternizing with BU, NEU, and other students nearby. Co-op is nice, but I hear it can be difficult to get a co-op and it’s not handed to you on a silver platter. You will need to do your due diligence in getting one. Also, housing can be a problem, I hear. NEU is quite a bit larger than SCU, 22,000 students, 5500 business students, but I’m not sure about class size. Seems to be a much different vibe than SCU.

Both Kelley and Foster are very reputable schools, but again if not direct admit, that could be a problem. Also Kelley is a large school with 10,000 students in the business school. I hear that the weather is not very good and there’s not as much diversity in the student body. Don’t know about the area, probably a small college town, but it sounds like it’s a bit remote from a big city, 50 miles from Indianapolis. If you like sports, UW and IU seem to be the best schools in this regard.

UW Foster sounds a quarter the size, 2500 students? but UW is a massive school and has over 40,000 students. I also hear it’s competitive to get into Foster and know students who did not get in and went into communications to try to get into marketing. It was difficult to find work. Of course UW has a strong foothold in the NW as you probably know. Seattle seems to be a nice city to live in as a student, as long as you don’t mind the gray weather. It can get depressing, but there’s a lot of activities to do in Washington. Great sports town and good sports program.

As for Davis, I hear great things about the school. More laid back and collaborative than other UCs. People like the small town feel of Davis. But it’s small and may not have as much things to do. It’s a huge school and is the largest UC school I believe in terms of acreage. Over 30,000 students. You definitely need a bike. They also just started up a new four year business school which I’m not sure what the program will be like. There may be some bumps along the way since the program is new. Moreover, I’m not exactly sure what the alumni network is like especially since Davis is a pretty good distance from the Bay Area though close to Sacramento. However the business program seems to be a mixture of both business and STEM. Maybe a good way to get into tech or fintech?

I am not familiar at all with CWRUs program. I’m sure it’s a good program but weather wise Cleveland is not the greatest and the city probably is not necessarily a college town. I’ve been to Cleveland and I liked it but was only there for a week for work so no idea what it would be like for a college student. The college looks small with 6000 students and only 700 in the undergrad business program. Alumni may be in the mid west.

One question you need to ask yourself is where you want to end up living not just for four years but also after graduating.

You may also want some idea as to what area of business you are considering entering into.

SCU may be considered a target school for tech and accounting (being in the Silicon Valley).

Foster is a target or semi target in finance, consulting, and tech especially in the NW.

Kelley is a semi target in IB and consulting and I hear has a solid accounting, marketing and entrepreneurship programs. Probably a good school to live and work in the Midwest and East coast. Not as well known on the west coast.

UC Davis for the west coast, CWRU for the Midwest, and NEU for the east coast are good schools for business but are not target schools for IB, finance or consulting. But are good schools for their region.

You have a lot of choices, but I’d probably first decide where I’d want to live and what area of business I really want to pursue.

Good luck!

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Congratulations on all of your admits! I would recommend doing a a couple of different things:

  1. Do a 4-year plan for each school, filling in any general ed/distribution requirements, major requirements, etc. This alone may reveal significant preferences for you.

  2. List out what is important to you in a college and the relative importance of those items. Then score the colleges on each of those items. (This post provides a much better description with an example of a student’s priorities and scoring: Parents of the HS Class of 2025 - #9032 by sbinaz. This family uses this system for a student to help make choices between schools.)

  3. If at all possible, visit. It does not need to be on an admitted student day, a regular day is just fine (and many think, even better). Check the vibe on campus, sit in on some classes, eat in the dining hall, talk with a variety of students, etc.

In terms of the specific schools you’re considering, here are a few links or individuals who may be able to provide you more first-hand feedback:

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Wov.. you all are amazing , this is such a wonderful community and I will remember to give back when I can. Lots of good food for thought that i am going to dive into - Direct admit vs pre , trying to think through what i want from undergrad - applied vs theory/research , big vs small, stem vs core business, location (it somehow escaped me that seattle’s best weather will be during the school break).. And yes, i am planning to visit max 4 schools once i have the short list. Thanks again!

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Both @lkg4answers and @Gumbymom have had students attend UC Davis, so they would actually have first hand experience. I know there are many other Davis parents here but those are the two that come to mind :slight_smile:

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Hi, I am a Northeastern alum and my son graduated in May. He did a combined major in Economics (College of Social Sciences and Humanities) and Business (D’Amore McKim). He enjoyed his economics classes more than his business classes. Class sizes were small - mostly in the 20 to 30 range, I think.
Positives of Northeastern: Easy to do combined majors. Co-op program helps you figure out what kind of jobs you do and do not want to do. For him: Out: banking. In: consulting. Easy to fit study abroad into your education. He did a “Dialogue of Civilization,” a summer study abroad program in Rwanda, which was exceptional. The economics department is very small at Northeastern and it was easy to know his professors. Boston is a great place to be a student, but mostly not warm (although due to global warming it’s warmer and gets less snow than my experience there in the 90s). My son was recently contacted by one of his D’Amore McKim professors (Impact Entrepreneurship) because current students are feeling anxious about the job market. Within a day, the professor had 18 recent graduates on a Zoom call talking to the current students about grad school, job hunting and more.
My son grew up in a very diverse town and liked the diversity of the Northeastern students. He said “All of the international students are loaded.” I don’t know if that’s true. If you have more questions, feel free to message me. You don’t pay tuition while on co-op and you get paid (for most co-ops). NU is good with AP credits for scores of 4 or 5. My son started out with 20 credits. He took some summer classes and graduated in 4 years but keep in mind that “summer” goes from May to August so he could take classes in May and June and still have July and August off.

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This is GOLD!
Should be pinned for all applicants considering any of these schools!

Please don’t rush this decision. All universities accept more students than they expect to enroll.

What are your priorities in a college? What type of learning environment are you looking for? What kind of social environment would be attractive? What types of things do you enjoy doing when you aren’t studying?

As was mentioned, my oldest attended UC Davis. It is a wonderful school. I can help if you have questions about UC Davis, but I am not familiar with the other schools.

You might find this The College Tour episode helpful.

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My son has had a unique and wonderful experience at Northeastern. It is very different from large state schools and traditional liberal arts colleges. Northeastern is highly career-oriented and constantly evolving. It fits a specific type of student, like my son, who thrives in an environment with few boundaries. He is extremely independent and doesn’t want to be told what to do. I feel that if my daughter were placed in the same environment, she wouldn’t enjoy it as much as my son did. Ultimately, it comes down to finding the right fit for your kiddo. Also, the co-op program is a huge advantage. I can’t stress enough how significant it is.

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That’s a good point. NU will be the best fit for self-motivated, independent students. There are some supports (i.e. peer mentors, counseling, advisors, a class to prepare you for co-op applications), but it’s probably not a great fit for someone who needs a lot of hand-holding.

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There are two things that my son really appreciates about Northeastern: 1) the ease of switching majors, and 2) the absence of a real “general education” (or “discovery” period, though I’m not sure what it’s actually called at other schools). He enjoyed the “freedom” that comes with it.

Also, I might have given the impression that there is no support at Northeastern. In reality, there are many support systems available, but you need to seek them out—you won’t be spoon-fed. It’s kind of funny to see some people complain that the co-op isn’t guaranteed at Northeastern. Of course it’s not. What kind of world do those people live in?

Northeastern isn’t perfect. One issue I experienced was how bad the housing situation was when my son started his first year. Because they “messed up” the yield from the previous year (2021?), there were just way too many kids on campus. I did a lot of research myself and mentally prepared, but I was still shocked when I saw the forced triple my son was placed in at White Hall. However, I’ve never heard him complain. He really enjoyed the friendships and bonds he developed with the other kids around him. He’d endured much worse living conditions as a scout. I still remember those camping trips, where we slept buried under snow or in pouring rain. It’s just part of life. No matter what the situation, always keep that go-getter attitude. Man, being part of boy scout really helps build character. I truly believe that.

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I wanted to add this comment that I saw from a thread on IU petitions last year as I found it to be very relevant, and while I agree that there are bigger issues to deal with if one isn’t making atleast Bs , there is the factor of first year, living away from family etc..

I think the pool of candidates continues to increase significantly each year. The Associate Director of Admissions verbally mentioned during the webinar there were 1,000 standard admit applicants in 2023 and 12% were accepted. I have also seen the following totals for pre-business students from another source:

2020=1,030
2021=1,210
2022=1,836

My guess is in 2023, the number of pre-business majors (or “potential” Kelley Standard admit applicants) was higher than 1,836 in 2022 but clearly, not all pre-business majors actually submit a standard admit application. Reasons could vary from lost interest in business to received a C- in a class. etc.

If you assume, 2,000 pre-business majors in 2023 and 1,000 standard admit applications submitted, 120 automatically admitted with all Bs or above, and 550 spots (IU states 500-600), then we’re talking about only 50% of potential standard admit candidates apply for standard admission and 55% of those were accepted in 2023. (Note: 120 who are guaranteed still must submit an application).

Per the Poet & Quant article, if overall Kelley applications increased 28% y/y from 21,000 in 2023 to 27,000 in 2024 a reasonable assumption would be the estimated 2,000 for pre-business majors in 2023 will increase to 2,560 in 2024. And if 50% of pre-business majors submit their application for Standard admission in 2024 Kelley will receive 1,280 applications. If 12% auto admits holds true, then 154 will meet all Bs and above, leaving approximately 400 spots for the remaining 1,126 standard admit “review” candidates.

154 out of 1,280 or 12% auto accepted thru standard admit
400 out of remaining 1,126 or 35% accepted thru standard admit review
554 out of 1,280 or 43% of total standard admit “applicants” and 22% of all pre-business majors.