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I’m not sure, but I heard that nothing happens if you exceed the unit cap. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Does that apply to transfers too?</p>
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<p>There is no real unit cap for engineering. Letters and Science has a unit cap but Engineering does not. You can take as many units as you want as long as you are still making progress towards your degree.</p>
<p>so flopsy, i’m sitting around right now about to start my first physics 4al lab report, and by the looks of it, it seems to be ridiculously easy. </p>
<p>how harshly are the 4al lab reports usually graded and how well formatted do the lab write-ups have to be?</p>
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[<em>]Goal of the experiment
[</em>]Relevant equations
[<em>]Experimental method
[</em>]Data
[<em>]Estimation of uncertainties
[</em>]Error analysis
[li]Comparison of predictions and measurements[/list][/li]Physics 4AL is nothing compared to Physics 4BL. You’ve been warned. :rolleyes:</p>
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<p>4AL is easy. At least most of the experiments are. Experiment 2 only requires you to drop the ball through “hole” 10 times to receive the data. After that, you can leave. Though labs sound easy, you should understand how the apparatus works and why you can extend the physics theory to the data you get. Otherwise, there is no point of doing a lab.</p>
<p>Regarding lab reports, the grading is up to the TA as flopsy mentioned. You should have all the components of a lab report listed above, including all components (not ideas necessarily) of a report that a professional scientist would write. Though the structure serves merely as a skeleton, the meat of the report is the content. Did you answer the lab questions that were presented by the TA? </p>
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(a) completion - Did the student include all the components (Yes/No)
(b) questions - Are the post lab questions answered correctly (1-10 Scale)</p>
<p>It is difficult to hand out the grades of the course the first time around. Usually, the TA looks at the report and gives a “gut” score. The second time, he/she compares the lab reports to see which one deserves the P or P+. The P- are easy to hand out because they are usually incomplete or lack effort.</p>
<p>One way to get a good grade, though not necessarily mean you know everything, is to write a lot (previous experience and stories). The TA would be impressed by showing what you have learned from the lab. You might include a few notes or topics related to the lab in order to show that you mastered the concepts listed in the objectives of the lab. How much you add is up to you.</p>
<p>For the length, expect people to write about 6-12 pages for 4AL. I wrote about 10 for most experiments, and 15 for the experiment with vibrations. Total time was probably 6 hours per report.</p>
<p>4BL requires a lot more time. The experiments are very difficult to follow, and slightly better if you read the manual beforehand. People usually write 10-30 pages for reports. I wrote on average 25 pages, and spent 12 hours per report. You probably can write less … or more … it’s up to you. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Any tips on how I should deal with my GE’s? Should I finish them in as few quarters as possible, or spread them out onto the next 3/4 years of my undergrad education?</p>
<p>Spread them out; it helps you determine what you really want to study on the side, in case you change your mind during undergrad. If you save your GEs until the end, then take courses in a department that you end up hating, you’ll be in a pickle. :rolleyes:</p>
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<p>Does the same apply to the EE pathways? Just wondering since I’m still undecided on which one I should do. =/</p>
<p>would it be wise to take CS61C at Berkeley to fufill CS33? according to the hsseas course Equivalents site they are equivalent, but would 61c be harder since it is a semester course while cs33 is a quarter?</p>
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No. Well, you don’t have to spread out your EE pathway electives if you don’t plan on graduating in four years… EECE classes like CS M152B are pretty hard to enroll in for EE majors. :rolleyes:</p>
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<p>That’s just ridiculous. How the hell can you possibly do so much in a three-hour lab to require 10-30pp to be written on it? In Chem 30CL there’s a ~15-20pp report for the first eight meetings (at least ~32-36 lab hours, and in many cases, much more than that), and hell, even I think that’s bordering on excessive.</p>
<p>Physics is different from chemistry, I guess. There is a lot to write about when the TA does all the experiments in the manual. I think now, TAs start to skip some of the experiments, so that people can leave in 3 hours.</p>
<p>I recall that there were mathematical functions and simple calculations as part of the lab report. Mathtype had to be used, so the input process was very slow. Also, creating neat tables took up a lot of time too. I think you can eliminate a few pages of text due to the space the calculations take up, but still there is a lot of text.</p>
<p>Error analysis can be up to (or more than) one for EACH sub-experiment. There were probably 5-10 sub-experiments for each lab experiment. Also, describing the connection between the theory and the experiment CAREFULLY AND IN DETAIL could take lots of research and time too. Some people write a bunch of B.S … repeating ideas over and over again … it doesn’t take that much time to do that, but it is very obvious to any reader (because when people start to B.S, they make stuff up or write stuff that they aren’t certain about :D).</p>
<p>I guess I posted an overestimate of the number of pages written for 4BL … probably 15-20 is the average number of pages per lab report, though some people write so many that they cannot staple the pages together. :rolleyes: It is still a lot of work, but rewarding since it’s the only hands on experience in electronics for lower-division courses. On the other hand, some schools (and even CCs) have used o-scopes and actually know what’s going on. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>i wrote about 8 pages per lab for 4bl. 25 pages!!! wow, poor TA…</p>
<p>MathType and MS Equation 3.0 sucks. Learn how to use LaTex. :rolleyes:</p>
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Wow, really? Who was your TA?</p>
<p>For our class, everyone competed and wrote more and more for the P+. Started out with 10 pages … and then in got to so many pages that the packet cannot staple. I don’t know if their content was B.S or not though. :P</p>
<p>But only needed to turn in 5 reports for the class … so I guess 4BL is not too bad.</p>
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<p>wow that’s crazy. my TA was boghrat…not particularly a great TA.</p>
<p>i DID end with an A- though, but it didn’t bother me too much. i guess i didn’t write enough :rolleyes:</p>
<p>edit: actually, i screwed up on most of the “pre-lab” questions. </p>
<p>boelter - what’s your major again? i feel like i see you a lot. in boelter. lol</p>
<p>what do u think of the chemical engineering program at ucla? is it hard to switch majors? im debating between ucla, usc, and berkeley…i know berkeley is the best for engineering but i dont really want to be the bottom of my class and im a spring admit so id have to wait until january and i didnt really want to do that either…but i was just wondering how ucla was in terms of undergraduate education</p>
<p>thanks for your help!</p>
<p>No chemicals here
Engineering makes me sad
This is a haiku</p>
<p>People get the impression a chemical engineer is all about chemistry. We don’t care about chemistry, we care about the money. You design reactors that maximize yield and profits, you want stuff that is pure and massive amounts. If you don’t make it out in the world as a chemical engineer, can make your own meth or alcohol since same principles apply (massive pure amounts). </p>
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<p>I’ll be posting an in-depth review of the chemical engineering department after I graduate (Spring 08). It’ll include info about professors, courses, classmates and gossip (who’s the sluttiest or hottest ChemE).</p>
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<p>I thought it was obvious it’s moldau. :rolleyes:</p>