Thank you so much for your response!
Hey guys and gals!! I appreciate all of you still visiting this discussion forum, with this specific thread having gone on since 2004(!). I realize there are other options out there for students, when it comes to learning about different Bachelor/MD programs (outside of official school websites, handouts, and brochures) but I would like to think that College Confidential is still a forum where students and their families can actively discuss and understand specific Bachelor/MD programs in greater detail as well as the application process.
By now it seems like most people have gotten some type of decision by email with respect to the interview, whether that be an extending of an interview, being put on the waitlist for an interview, or no extending of an interview (this last option if you got it, unfortunately, effectively ends the UMKC BA/MD admissions process for this year’s application cycle). In the past 15 years, the UMKC BA/MD program has gotten REALLY competitive, in terms of the type of stats and CVs that high school students are now coming in with, so don’t feel bad if it didn’t turn out the way you wanted. This trend is happening across all higher education, both with Bachelor/MD programs and just regular undergraduate admissions.
Realize that the Bachelor/MD pathway is very much an ALTERNATIVE to getting into medical school. It is not the main pathway to get into medical school by any stretch. Just to give you a broader idea about these type of programs, according to the AAMC (Association of American Medical Colleges, which oversees medical school education) data from 2022, only 3.3% of all physicians completed a Bachelor/MD program, entering directly from high school. The acceptance rate to Bachelor/MD programs overall in the U.S. is about 1-5%. More and more Bachelor/MD programs have disappeared in recent years (see Northwestern’s HPME program, Boston University’s SMED program, and University of Miami Miller School of Medicine’s HPM program, all of which have been discontinued). At this time, UMKC is the only 6 year Bachelor/MD program left in the United States, although the time interval of 6 years should definitely not be the sole reason you choose to do the UMKC combined BA/MD program, if you do get accepted.
The current structure of the UMKC BA/MD program interview is in the Multiple Mini Interview (MMI) format, which is a series of short interviews/stations that assess your skills in communication, problem solving, decision making, professionalism, critical thinking, teamwork, and your ability to stay cool & calm under pressure. These are what we would call “soft skills,” because they go beyond just your academic grades and standardized test scores. They have been doing this particular interview format at UMKC School of Medicine starting with the 2012-2013 application cycle.
I don’t believe that it is necessary for you to pay for a med school admissions consultant (and there is no assurance for acceptance into the UMKC program, even if you do pay for one) to prepare for this MMI at UMKC, so please don’t guilt trip your parents about getting one. You are so much better off in these next 2-3 weeks learning about the MMI, doing practice MMI questions, practicing the MMI in real-time with your parents (and siblings or relatives!), friends, teachers, counselors, advisors, to get used to maintaining your calm and composure, etc. Since COVID in 2020, the MMI at UMKC has been done virtually which is very nice change as it saves applicants quite a bit of money and time, especially for those who would normally be flying into Missouri from outside of the state. It’s also good as you’ll be in familiar surroundings whether that’s at home or at your school in front of a desktop computer or laptop with a reliable Internet connection.
Here are my previous posts on the MMI and the Toledo Chemistry Exam from this thread back in the 2015-2016 cycle, which you all can take a look at in the meantime. Some of the links may not work anymore. I will be working on an updated post or maybe a Word Document/PDF to share with resources with respect to the MMI (books, Internet websites, and online videos) and the Toledo Chemistry Placement Exam (keep in mind that the result of this placement exam only matters AFTER you have received a BA/MD acceptance in terms of General Chemistry I + General Chemistry I Lab course scheduling and is not used to determine whether or not you get a UMKC BA/MD acceptance in the first place).
From 2016:
MMI: https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/t/umkc-6-year-ba-md-program/10343/5002
Interview Dress Code: https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/t/umkc-6-year-ba-md-program/10343/5001
(much of this dress code is no longer operative because the interview is currently being done virtually and you will likely be seated at a desk, in a chair, in front of a desktop computer or laptop, but for the most part, business casual type clothes are fine)
Toledo Chemistry Placement Exam: https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/t/umkc-6-year-ba-md-program/10343/5000
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Hello! I applied to UMKC BA/MD and got waitlisted from the interview. I have a few questions:
How do they decide which students to put on the waitlist?
What are the chances of getting off the waitlist?
If I am given the chance for an interview, how much in advance would they tell me?
What else can I do to improve my chances?
Here are my stats:
1500 SAT
4.8 weighted and 3.9 unweighted GPA
AP Chem 4
AP Lang 4
Board Certified Pharmacy Technician
Shadowed 3 different kinds of doctors
Co-authored and published 2 research papers
Emergency Room Volunteer
Tutor
President of Medical Chapter Club, Women in Stem, Speech Team, and various other high school organizations
Seal of Biliteracy in Spanish
Illinois State Scholar
The waitlists are usually decided in advance and are numbered down for 3 applicant pools: in-state, regional, out-of-state. All 3 applicant pools are treated separately so if an out-of-state applicant (for example) turns down a UMKC BA/MD interview, they would be replaced by another out-of-stater, not a regional or an in-state applicant. They want to keep the same proportions in all 3 applicant groups.
There isn’t any publicly released data, that I’m aware of with respect to waitlist stats, and it can also vary from year to year, so it’s hard to predict.
I imagine with it being about 2 weeks till the first interview happens that they would contact students relatively quickly through email or through the online portal if someone drops an interview, especially as interviews are virtual now, so no last minute road trips or flights needed to burden families further financially.
There is nothing else you can do to “add” to your application, so to speak. They have all the information they need and will go down the waitlist as needed, if it is needed.
I would go through the same motions in preparing for the MMI in the meantime, regardless of whether you end up doing the MMI through the UMKC program or end up doing it later through the regular premed route (as there are quite a few allopathic medical schools across the country that do the MMI). Either way you’ll be prepared and it won’t be a waste of time.
I (couldn’t remember my login, so I had to create a new one!)
I was able to get an interview invite, but I couldn’t tell from the website re: how many were invited to interview from each group, just the total interviewed and the breakdown of accepted. So, is a higher chance to get in if in-state, so it’s something like:
Instate: 100 interviewed, 62 accepted,
OOS: 150 interviewed, 12 accepted
regional: 100 interviewed, 31 accepted
OR
Instate: 186 interviewed, 62 accepted,
OOS: 45 interviewed, 15 accepted
regional: 93 interviewed, 31 accepted
I’m trying to understand, based on which group I’m in, what the percent acceptance if received an interview is. Thanks for your help, and please PM me if you have any other advice that could be helpful!
Hi, I am having difficulty with Toledo chemistry test resources, the links arent working mostly, is it possible to let me know if you have any other options or where we could find some?
Multiple Mini Interview (MMI) Resources
What is the MMI?
https://www.themedicportal.com/application-guide/medical-school-interview/mmi-interviews/
https://www.uh.edu/health-professions-advising/_documents/mmi-handout-uh.pdf
https://moonprep.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/the-multiple-mmi-interview-guide.pdf
Websites from Different Universities on the MMI:
Colorado
https://www.colorado.edu/ceprehealth/mmi-practice-session-spring-2024
NYU
http://www.med.nyu.edu/school/md-admissions/mmi-faqs#
Michigan
https://careercenter.umich.edu/article/mmi-resources
Johns Hopkins
http://web.jhu.edu/prepro/health/Applicants/interviewing.html#MMI
https://studentaffairs.jhu.edu/preprofadvising/pre-medhealth/applicants/interviewing-resources/ (Go to “The Multiple Mini-Interview” section)
Wash U
https://prehealth.wustl.edu/interview-prep (Go to “Multiple Mini Interview (MMI):” section)
Vanderbilt
http://as.vanderbilt.edu/hpao/documents/Preparing_Applicants_for_the_MMI.pdf
Dartmouth
https://hpp.dartmouth.edu/application-process/interview-process/multiple-mini-interviews-mmi
https://connect.tdi.dartmouth.edu/www/documents/Career%20Resources/MMI%20Q’s.pdf
University of Victoria
https://web.archive.org/web/20150925184945/https://www.uvic.ca/coopandcareer/assets/docs/coretool/MMIs.pdf
Queen’s University
https://careers.sso.queensu.ca/content/documents/tipsheets/Meds_Multiple%20Mini%20Interviews.pdf
Yeshiva
https://www.yu.edu/sites/default/files/inline-files/MMI_Casper_Slides.pdf
Columbia
https://sps.columbia.edu/sites/default/files/2019-06/advanced-MMI-prep.pdf
Books:
https://www.amazon.com/BeMos-Ultimate-Guide-Multiple-Interview/dp/1729763367/
https://www.amazon.com/Multiple-Mini-Interview-Mind-Advisor/dp/1635878403/
https://www.amazon.com/Multiple-Mini-Interview-Mega-Book/dp/0987827251/
https://www.amazon.com/INTERVIEWS-MEDICAL-SCHOOL-Multiple-Interview/dp/1913755320/
https://www.amazon.com/Multiple-Mini-Interview-Practice-Questions/dp/1998190129/
https://www.amazon.com/Multiple-Mini-Interview-Strategies-Admissions/dp/1937978117/
https://www.amazon.com/Multiple-Mini-Interview-Medical-School/dp/1777001552/
https://www.amazon.com/Multiple-Mini-Interview-Simulation-Package/dp/B09DMR5K9H/
https://www.amazon.com/Master-MMI-Medical-Interviews-Interview/dp/B0BLR1WT4T/
https://www.amazon.com/MMI-Medical-Interviews-Stations-Interview/dp/B0CNLCY3RC/
https://www.amazon.com/Medical-School-Interviews-Practical-Guide/dp/1905812051/
https://www.amazon.com/MedEdits-Guide-Medical-School-Interview/dp/0983129193/
https://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Guide-Multiple-Mini-Interview/dp/1521894213/
https://www.amazon.com/Medical-School-Interview-Preparation-traditional/dp/0998526762/
https://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Multiple-Mini-Interview-Strategies/dp/B0BYGY7QC6/
https://www.amazon.com/Practical-Guide-Mastering-Multiple-Interviews-ebook/dp/B0C1XX8H9K/
http://www.amazon.com/Multiple-Mini-Interview-Questions-Training/dp/B0076Q322O
http://www.amazon.com/Ace-Your-Medical-School-Interview/dp/1492346098
Youtube video searches:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Multiple+Mini+Interview
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=MMI+medical+school
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Multiple+Mini+Interview+scenarios
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=MMI+scenarios
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=MMI+practice+scenarios
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=MMI+samples
MMI Practice questions/scenarios
https://medicine.usask.ca/documents/Admissions/MMI-Sample-Scenarios.pdf
https://www.bscp.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Multi-Mini-Interview-Sample-Questions.pdf
https://bemoacademicconsulting[.]com/content/Resources/200%20MMI%20Questions.pdf (remove brackets around the first period before com)
https://studentlife.utoronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/Interview-Strategies-Guide-MMI-and-MPI.pdf
https://mygeneralworkspace.notion.site/MMI-Resources-3ce487d35fe646aab06b3df324dbe54e
https://zeroratio.blogspot.com/search/label/MMI%20practice%20prompts
https://www.blackstonetutors.com/mcmaster-university-medicine-interview-questions/
https://www.videoath.com/community/public-mmi-questions
https://multipleminiinterview.com/mmi-questions/
https://science-student.sites.olt.ubc.ca/files/2014/01/Sample-Questions-2013-2014.pdf
Toledo Chemistry Placement Exam (TCPE)
The Toledo Chemistry Placement Exam is a test that evaluates a student’s readiness for general chemistry courses. The exam assesses a student’s math and algebra skills, as well as their knowledge of chemistry.
The Toledo Chemistry Placement Exam is designed to evaluate how well you are prepared for General Chemistry. The exam evaluates your general math and algebra skills as well as your overall knowledge of chemistry. The test has 60 multiple choice questions which you must answer in 55 minutes.
There are 20 math questions and 40 chemistry questions. The math questions cover math skills up to and including college level algebra. The chemistry questions cover material including these major topics: measurements, elements, ions, compounds, the periodic table, writing chemical formulas and equations, chemical reactions, states of matter, pressure/volume/temperature relationships, quantum theory, ionic and covalent bonding, solutions, acids and bases, and thermodynamics.
Here you can find out more info about the Toledo Chemistry Placement Exam (TCPE) itself:
American Chemistry Society: https://uwm.edu/acs-exams/?s=Toledo+Placement+Exam
What You Need to Pass Your Chemistry Placement Exam (Youtube playlist):
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLytGGifnD9dVkKhm8HkdZnL_h1ET1yoj1
Flashcards:
https://quizlet.com/369494164/toledo-chemistry-exam-flash-cards/
Practice Exams:
https://www.pvamu.edu/chemistry/wp-content/uploads/sites/26/_01_pract_Test.pdf
https://www.smc.edu/student-support/success-engagement-center/documents/Chem_Prat_Exam.pdf
https://foothill.edu/assessment/pdf/chem.pdf
https://www.csun.edu/sites/default/files/CPT_examples.pdf
http://hilo.hawaii.edu/kilohana/documents/CHEMISTRY_PLACEMENT_EXAM_PRACTICE-2.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20151129044001/https://www.deanza.edu/admissions/placement/chem.pdf
Please see the links I posted today for both the Multiple Mini Interview (MMI) and the Toledo Chemistry Placement Exam (TCPE).
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Much appreciated!!
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Congratulations to the UMKC BA/MD (and MD only) class of 2025!! Year 6 students found out today whether they matched into an internship and/or residency. On Friday, March 21st, they will find out where exactly they matched.
You can watch UMKC Match festivities by livestream on Friday here: https://med.umkc.edu/news-events/featured-events-lectures/match-day/
Since this is Match Week for medical students at UMKC (and across the country), the med school will be relatively busy with Match festivities, so for those applying to the UMKC BA/MD program this year, you will likely find out the result of the full application process next week (March 24 to March 28).
Congratulations to the UMKC School of Medicine Class of 2025 on their residency matches today! 
If you missed the Match Day livestream earlier today, the UMKC School of Medicine still has the video on their Youtube channel so be sure to check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP2JCQgy4KY
This is the Match list in Kansas City (both BA/MD students and MD only students):
https://med.umkc.edu/news-events/featured-events-lectures/match-day/match-2025-kansas-city.html
This is the Match list for those at the St. Joseph campus (this was a newly created satellite campus under the MD only program starting in 2021 to address Missouri’s physician shortage, especially in rural areas):
https://med.umkc.edu/news-events/featured-events-lectures/match-day/match-2026-st-joseph.html
I will work on analyzing the match lists (probably more the Kansas City one than the St. Joseph one as the latter is a relatively new campus) and aim to have that done by April 1st which is when all colleges/universities have to give their decisions on acceptances/rejections to students to compare and decide before finalizing a matriculation decision on May 1st.
Does anyone know any statistics for the in-state waitlist from previous years? I applied in-state and got put on the waitlist today and just wanted to know what my chances were.
Admission decisions were out this evening.
Happy to share my son got in.
Certainly in-state advantage was crucial.
Stats: SAT 1490
Rank 1/250. Rural public school, so only had limited AP course availability
Nursing home and clinic shadowing ~ 200 hrs
Was able to have research opportunities though he had to travel 50 miles for the weeks he did them during summer
Volunteering~ 300 hours
Interviews- did fairly well.
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So when it comes to being waitlisted for the UMKC BA/MD program, the question of how many people get off the waitlist can vary a lot from year to year. There is no publicly released data that I know of, unlike statistics on attrition (leaving the UMKC BA/MD program entirely) and extension (going from 6 years to 7 years, or potentially 8 years in the BA/MD program) once a person has actually matriculated into the BA/MD program.
Application Timeline: https://med.umkc.edu/academics/degree-and-certificate-programs/ba-md/admissions-timeline.html
This is the way it has worked in the past: With three separate applicant pools (in-state, regional, out-of-state) there are also three separate waitlists (in-state, regional, out-of-state). In each separate applicant pool waitlist, students are given an ordinal number from the top applicant all the way down, in case anyone who received a BA/MD acceptance declines the offer. The School of Medicine admissions office will not tell you where you fall on your particular applicant pool’s waitlist.
Starting from April 1 (which is the date that all colleges & universities have to give applicants their decision by), accepted students have about 1 month to think about whether to accept the BA/MD offer from UMKC compared to their other offers (these can be normal undergraduate programs as well as Bachelor/MD programs). The last date for applicants to accept the UMKC BA/MD offer is by May 1st, which is designated the National College Decision Day.
In the past, normally starting after May 1st, it is a rolling admissions process where the School of Medicine looks at how many open spots there are in the three applicant pools in the entering matriculating Year 1 BA/MD class. They then go down the waitlist for each separate applicant pool to fill in the remaining empty slots. If someone offered a spot on a particular waitlist declines the offer, they then go down the list to the next person until the entire class is filled. The only communication you will get is if you are offered a spot. And once the entire matriculating class is filled, everyone on the waitlist usually gets an email stating the process has been completed. There is no mixing of waitlists, meaning, for example, if there is an out-of-state spot open, then that spot is filled by another out-of-state applicant. It’s not filled by an in-state or a regional waitlisted student. This is so the proportion of each applicant pool in a matriculating Year 1 BA/MD class is maintained. So there is no competing of applicants between different waitlists for the same spot. Hope that makes sense.
If you have any further questions, feel free to ask.
Congratulations to your son and thank you for contributing to the thread for future applicants and their parents trying to navigate this process.
To those who got an acceptance and are considering all of their options in this next month, if you have any questions at all about the UMKC BA/MD program, feel free to ask them in this thread. And parents can definitely come on the thread and ask questions too!!
These can be questions on the curriculum, the clinical Docent experience, clerkships, residency matching, etc. It’s a lot to consider in combined programs such as these, where you are committing not just to the undergraduate institution but also to the affiliated medical school at the same time, all at a very young age of 17 or 18. And that’s before even getting to other aspects like financial aid (especially those of you who may be regional or out-of-state), student life, etc. Often it can feel like you’re making a big decision without all the puzzle pieces together. Hopefully this forum thread can help somewhat in that, or at least point you in the right direction before making a decision by May 1st. There are very much compromises that you make by undergoing this route and those compromises are not necessarily a good fit for everyone, even if they may seem like they are at face value.
Both students and parents can feel a lot of pressure during this time period to immediately go with the UMKC BA/MD acceptance (the expression “don’t look a gift horse in the mouth” often comes to mind), but I think everyone’s situation can be very different and I think it’s important to look at the program from all angles, before jumping in, especially because UMKC’s Bachelor/MD program is structured quite differently compared to other combined Bachelor/MD programs.
Just to reiterate, only about 3.3% of medical students are those who came in through some type of Bachelor/MD program, according to released data. This is not BY ANY MEANS the usual route that most physicians take. So as a senior in high school if you didn’t get a Bachelor/MD acceptance or were waitlisted, PLEASE don’t take it as a personal rejection or that all your accomplishments during high school (and even some during middle school) were for naught. It really is not that way at all once you have hindsight on the process which only comes years later (especially as competitive as combined Bachelor/MD programs have become over recent years).
My son is currently on the regional waitlist. Does anyone know how soon the waitlist offers are sent or filled after the May 1st deadline, usually? We asked his second choice college for a one-week extension to commit, but don’t want to stretch it further.
It usually starts after May 1st with rolling admissions until all open spots are filled. There will be one final email notifying everyone on the waitlist when aIll spots for the incoming class are filled.
https://med.umkc.edu/academics/degree-and-certificate-programs/ba-md/admissions-timeline.html
You could always accept and then withdraw if you get off the waitlist.
Congratulations to the graduated UMKC BA/MD Class of 2025!! You can watch the commencement ceremony from yesterday here:
