<p>"Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers…</p>
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<p>Oh good heavens! We’re not suggesting doing anything bad to this person. With your message, you are suggesting that anyone denying an elite admission to ANYONE is insulting Jesus. lol (don’t misuse the Bible, please)"</p>
<p>Interesting @mom2collegekids ! I have never thought of that quote that way. I thought it was in the context of doing something GOOD for some one, especially someone “lowly”. </p>
<p>I don’t have much of an opinion on THIS student, but I don’t share the “punished because of your parents” view. I think of it from the perspective of “advantaged because of your parents” view, as in a childs life is a series of advantages because of their parents. Of course there are disadvantages too, but I guess I prefer to focus on the things parents do RIGHT. </p>
<p>Common lets not get carried away with the law breaking things. There are enough copy cats without any more encouragement .
Let’s get back to illegals, in the past there were fewer people, legal or illegals were not a burden to society, but with the Grest recession and so many people out of work, high poverty rate, it makes absolutely no sense. Even people who came here illegally and now have jobs here, I don’t know how, do not agree with more illegal immigration. For example, the fedex guy that delivers stuff to my dentist told the dentist’s secretary there that there will be more competition for jobs if there are more people. Who knew? What a simple concept?</p>
<p>In the past, the situation was all over the place.</p>
<p>In the Depression, immigrants, legal and illegal alike, were beaten up and killed for taking jobs away. Go to WWII, and US citizens were begging for people to go to war for them and work in their factories.</p>
<p>What we need to do is have a plan in place for everyone. Find out who is here illegally, and offer them two options - leave or denounce your old country and start on a path to citizenship including government service.</p>
<p>My Republican friend has an illegal live-in babysitter. She has an illegal Polish maid. The guys who do her lawn are illegal, but the business owner is very likely not (she pays him above board). Illegal immigration won’t stop until people want to pay for what they are given.</p>
<p>Its a two-way street, rhandco. The blame is on both sides, by those who hire them and those who unlawfully take the job. We citizens should be able to rely on our government to enforce our laws against illegal immigration, so that we don’t have to assume that people we hire are not legal. That is a complete failure of government.</p>
<p>How do you suggest the government do this? Round people up? Go to public schools and trail the kids home and check on their parents?</p>
<p>It is not just porous borders, it is more people getting here and not leaving. And people who are still operating on the cash or barter standard.</p>
<p>Rhanco, so you have not answered my million dollar question, should we let in 1 billion Chinese and Indian kids if they decide to come here illegally.</p>
<p>I think it can go both ways…as in… if you do something bad to someone, it is like doing bad to Jesus. If you do good - - like feed a starving person - you are feeding Jesus. The teaching suggests that we are to “see Jesus” in everyone (and many of us “see Jesus” (or whoever your deity is) in animals, too, as we rescue and donate to shelters)</p>
<p>Anyway…I do not think that if a person is being denied admission to an elite univ then they are “doing bad” to Jesus. lol…otherwise, then have a come one come all cattle call with seats for everyone!!! </p>
<p>I don’t want this to get far afield into politics and have the thread closed, so per the topic, one thing we can do to stop attracting illegal immigrants is to stop offering public college admission and financial aid to them.</p>
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Yeap, if it’s not for the high tech jobs which did the most hiring, California would be in deep Doo Doo(sp?).
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<p>Yes, and with so many high tech jobs leaving Calif for less-costly and more business-friendly states, who is going to be left to fund all those Cal Grants and such? </p>
<p>Last I read the high tech is the only sector adding jobs to California and still growing. I disagree with the so comment so many high tech jobs are leaving California. For years, people want to say there is a replacement to Silicon Valley, there is none, not since the 70s.</p>
<p>We certainly don’t need more people in California. We are running out of water and the drought is likely to last for another year. Already there are small towns that have zero water and have to truck it in just for drinking water. </p>
<p>The more people the more stresses on the environment. I conserve water, electricity, gas, etc. I try to be very thrifty so that no more ugly solar or wind farms or power plants need to be built. But why, if millions of people come illegally and crowd this state and this country and make all that conservation worthless. </p>
<p>The state doesn’t even want to build highway even after successfully put on a ballot for 1/2 cent tax increase. I’ve just heard recently they are now finally agreed to pay without charging the toll.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to poll current illegal residents about Dr Google’s billion kids who want to come here question. I wonder how they would respond. </p>
<p>Hearing this story, should I turn my US Citizen children into <em>illegals</em>?</p>
<p>Hmm, I could destroy their birth certificates. Accelerate their Spanish by watching Telemundo. Have them live with an illegal immigrant family. Change their names: “You are no longer my son, you are now Ricardo Montalban.”</p>
<p>Oh the benefits! A compelling back story backed up by excellent grades. Free in-state tuition throughout most of the country. Possibly easier admission to Harvard. The world is their oyster!</p>
<p>I just read this thread with interest, mainly because I don’t know how I feel about all of this. In one way, I can understand not punishing him for his parents crime, but on the other hand, he technically could have left and gone back to Mexico and applied for a student visa to come to school in the US, correct? So, he really chose to remain here as an undocumented immigrant. </p>
<p>Overall, I’d say I don’t have a problem with this if he was a qualified student and he can show he is working on becoming a legal immigrant. There are so many admission “loop holes” in this country for colleges, and students are selected for many reasons other than merit. Legacy status, donor status etc…all ‘take spots’ away from kids with the same grades who didn’t have the fortune to be born into a family such as those. For this kid that got in with his grades and was given a merit scholarship, there is another kid who had lesser grades but Mom, Dad and Grandpa went to Harvard and donate big bucks and so he/she gets in. Which is worse? </p>
<p>Applying the “What would Jesus Do” philosophy to the ivy league context is interesting. I would suppose that Jesus would get into all the ivy leagues and then voluntarily to go to Cornell so that we could be purified by His suffering.</p>
<p>I must have missed your question:
" Rhanco, so you have not answered my million dollar question, should we let in 1 billion Chinese and Indian kids if they decide to come here illegally. "</p>
<p>No, we shouldn’t. And 1 billion Chinese and Indian kids will have a heck of a hard time getting here, because of the money needed to come here. How about if we forced people who came here on a visa to put down a deposit, or better yet, have a sponsor in the US who will be 100% responsible if they disappear?</p>
<p>We should set up a system where:
we encourage US citizens to pay fair wages to those who do menial tasks, so there is no benefit to hire an illegal alien
we SERIOUSLY punish those who hire illegal aliens*
we do what Obama did, find the kids who were brought here too young to understand and give them amnesty, BUT deport the parents if they are illegal once the children are 18</p>
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<li>The punishment for wage crimes is basically ZILCH in the US. My MIL was paid under the table for over 20 years. She never put into unemployment or social security. She was paid in cash. She actually would go to the bank for her boss and make withdrawals, and give out the pay envelopes.</li>
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<p>He was finally caught. He paid a few thousand dollars and there was no one representing his employees, so they got no restitution for being deprived their social security and other protections. If they do that, when the guy was paying people under the table for 20+ years and never ever paying into social security or other required government taxes, HOW can we hope that we could catch someone paying illegals with cash for perhaps a few years, and also who move around perhaps? This guy operated a plumbing service for years and years, advertised in the yellow pages, even did work for various cities, and NO ONE caught him paying employees in cash with no benefits or payroll taxes.</p>
<p>Reductio ad absurdum, where you assume that if we let a few illegals stay under specific circumstances, suddenly a billion illegals will enter the country, is silly. We have an illegal immigration problem, and it is facilitated by certain people who believe that all Hispanics are for complete amnesty of illegals (they aren’t) and other people who believe that one illegal is too many no matter what the circumstances.</p>
<p>What has the US done in particular to help decrease executions and kidnappings in Mexico? Fast and Furious?</p>