<p>“It’s hard but do you know any country that let illegal or even legal in easily beside the United States”</p>
<p>I just read an article that Russia has the same problem with undocumented migrant workers from the Central Asian 'stans. They flock to Russia just like Mexican citizens do to the US - to earn money by doing dirty jobs to send back to their families, end up being exploited because they are afraid to be thrown out or worse, jailed. </p>
<p>France and Sweden, apparently, have been struggling with immigration issues, too.</p>
<p><a href=“Riots put Sweden's open-door immigration policy in spotlight | Reuters”>Riots put Sweden's open-door immigration policy in spotlight | Reuters;
<p>Italy is having massive problems with illegal immigration, also.</p>
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<p>…“how you measure its morality?” </p>
<p>Is morality measurable? Or is it digital? LOL!</p>
<p>I have illegal immigrants in my family. The thing is, the situations they are coming from <em>usually</em> are very dire, but similar to the case in the article, once in a while it is the parents messing up with timing visas or location when a baby was born. And they’ll consider refugee status for certain countries, but completely ignore other countries because they are too close to the US, so it is too easy to get here and acknowledge that murders, kidnappings, and rapes are common occurrences. Some parts of Mexico are way worse than areas of countries whose immigrants are immediately considered for refugee status.</p>
<p>However, isn’t the title of the article facetious? Like the ONLY reason he got a free ride was because he was undocumented? It seems to me his family was quite poor, and that’s why he got a free ride. Public schools are mandated, at least in my state, to ignore immigration status.</p>
<p>How can he feel part of the “illegal immigrant community” when he only found out as a teenager? Is it like finding out you are part minority and then embracing that you are a member of the community, even though you never knew it? Never had to deal with the issues related to your status until now?</p>
<p>The US is not totalitarian, its borders are porous. The number of non-Hispanic illegal immigrants is huge, especially near NYC. The number of people who legally immigrate and consciously are flaunting the system, like having their kids in the US just to get citizenship and leaving afterwards, is huge as well. </p>
<p>Make an amnesty, make families pay somehow, and forget about the DREAM Act equating attending college with citizenship. Mandate 6 years of civil service or 4 years of military service to qualify for US citizenship if you are illegal.</p>
<p>As for teens/young adults not getting IDs checked, they need to standardize and register school IDs to protect the US, for kids 12 and older. My son’s HS ID has his photo, his name, the school name (no address), and the school year. Would it REALLY be a lot more money to register each kid and put a bar code on each student ID for HS students at least? It would protect us. Minors from other countries have to have passports, even babies.</p>
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<p>I am not bitter. My son is in med school, so he didn’t need that student’s seat. </p>
<p>However, I do know that Calif med school applicants face the toughest competition for seats. So, yes, that student did take someone’s seat. However, if he is in the green card process and was able to demonstrate that it is forthcoming, I can understand why the SOM used some leeway. However, if he is not anywhere in the green card process and won’t be anytime soon, then moving onto the residency process will be more difficult for him.</p>
<p>As for my earlier comment about him getting a green card and others’ responses…unless his parents paid OOS rates for UCB (which I doubt), it sounds like he got instate rates. I thought that in order for an illegal to get instate rates, he had to be a Calif HS grad and in the green-card process. However, I may have that confused with getting aid at a UC? not sure. I forget all the back-door approaches my beloved over-taxed-with-giveaways Calif does to get around fed laws. </p>
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<p>Oh good heavens! We’re not suggesting doing anything bad to this person. With your message, you are suggesting that anyone denying an elite admission to ANYONE is insulting Jesus. lol (don’t misuse the Bible, please)</p>
<p>For CA public colleges, all that is required for undocumented applicants to get instate rates is a high school transcript showing 3 years of attendance and graduation in CA, plus a signed affidavit (short form supplied by the college) stating that the applicant has or will apply for legal status as soon as eligible. No other evidence is required.</p>
<p>bay, a lot of illegals, non-Hispanics know this and take advantage of the law.</p>
<p>Yes, I would say it is definitely another magnet attracting people to our great State. Which now has the highest poverty rate in the country. (25%)</p>
<p>Yeap, if it’s not for the high tech jobs which did the most hiring, California would be in deep Doo Doo(sp?).</p>
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<p>So, 5 years ago, when this guy was applying to UCs, he signed an affidavit stating that he has applied or will soon apply for legal status? If so, then either that was blowing smoke or he is close to getting Green Card status. Hopefully, it is the latter otherwise this still is a problem. I wonder how/who paid for the $30k per year for him to attend UCB at instate rates?</p>
<p>Look I think the kids (not necessarily the parents) who’ve gone to school here should have an easy route to citizenship as long as they don’t have a criminal record. </p>
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<p>While I agree that Calif is a magnet for entitlements-seeking people, I no longer have much confidence in any poverty reports since it is so easy to hide income. I recently had a conversation with a person who was working for a painter that I had hired. Turns out the person is on full SS disability and works under the table for this painter. This all came after the person mentioned all these surgeries they had had (none serious, most were for things that the rest of us just live with). I asked what kind of insurance this “assistant painter” had (thinking, wow, what is paying for all of this?). That is when I was told that the person has been on full SS disability since 1983, so gets Medicare to pay for everything. All, while also working under the table for this painter the entire time. Oh, and also gets food stamps. </p>
<p>It is examples like this that I don’t believe that H kid’s claim that his parents filed taxes each year…yes, maybe they filed, but likely excluded various cash payments. </p>
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<p>I completely agree. CA offers another huge incentive to hide income, because public colleges are free to students whose parents make less than $80K.</p>
<p>For undocumenteds who want in, I think their parents have to file taxes only for the year prior to admission. Not to sound horribly cynical (altho I admittedly have become so), but I suspect that many of them just file late for that year for the first time, in order to get the college perks.</p>
<p>Btw, one thing that Dario wrote really got me going. He wrote:</p>
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<p>Thankfully?? Hello, it is the law here in the US to comply with our tax laws, and failure to do so can be punished as a felony with jail time. His expression indicates that he thinks he was just fortunate that his parents filed returns. Who thinks this way, other than those who have no respect for our laws?</p>
<p>LOL Bay, that reminds me of something the current IRS head said: “Whenever we can, we follow the law.”
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<p>It was fortunate that they filed taxes. He had no influence on his parents, and they could have not filed.</p>
<p>Do you have respect for every single one of our laws? How can there be “Stand Your Ground” yet one is not supposed to kill someone?</p>
<p>Bay, are you really saying that he should pay for the sins of his parents? That since his parents knowingly stayed in the US past their visa expiration date, when he was THREE, he should be punished?</p>
<p>Apparently, Harvard doesn’t think so. UCs don’t think so. So don’t go to those colleges, and don’t send your kids there. Stop donating if you are an alum.</p>
<p>I am thankful that my grandfather wasn’t deported. I am glad that his children were US citizens by virtue of being born here, even though one parent was illegal. And you should be glad because of the many illegal immigrants and anchor babies who fought in WWII and later to save your butt. Such as my other grandfather who was illegally here and underage when he joined the Navy in WWI.</p>
<p>Someone mentioned “least of my brothers”, but I think “judge not lest ye be judged” and “he who is without sin cast the first stone”. I would like him to be forced to spend several years in military or government service in order to be on a path to citizenship. Other than that, I have no issue with him - he didn’t mess up.</p>
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<p>Yes I do, I respect every single one, even when I don’t agree with them or violate them.</p>
<p>I don’t view making undocumenteds pay international/OOS rates “punishment.” I think that line of reasoning is laughable, to be honest. So first-world problemish. </p>
<p>I don’t really care what Harvard chooses to do with its money, but I do care what the CA public colleges do, because I am generally civic minded and think it is a terrible financial burden to inflict on legal residents, and it invites people to flout our laws.</p>
<p>I don’t have a single ticket in the last 30 years.
But I do know of an Asian person through my massage therapy who quit her 1099 job after her daughter was accepted to UCLA. I don’t be grudge her because she and her husbands are actually poor. Her husband is not only poor but unable to lie, another truth teller like my husband, which sometimes makes it hard to find employment. For example, when he went for an interview people asked why he should be hired for the job and he said he didn’t know. My wife’s family knew someone here. The story made me laugh because I now know there is another clone out there like my husband. Another truth teller. </p>
<p>Oops *my wife should be his wife</p>
<p>" Yes I do, I respect every single one, even when I don’t agree with them or violate them."</p>
<p>So you respect the laws related to the Affordable Care Act? And Good Samaritan laws? And Stand Your Ground laws? Laws which allow flag burning?</p>
<p>Wow.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.ivanhoffman.com/respect.html”>http://www.ivanhoffman.com/respect.html</a></p>