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<p>Its an above average state school and a mediocre university in general…end of story. </p>

<p>/thread</p>

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<p>I agree with NY-er. Many states are dealing with the general economic climate, not just Florida.</p>

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<p>"Its an above average state school and a mediocre university in general…end of story. "</p>

<p>Define mediocre then.</p>

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<p>Tom,</p>

<p>He’s trying to say this:</p>

<p>(American Heritage Dictionary)
me·di·o·cre (mē’dē-ō’kər) Pronunciation Key
adj. Moderate to inferior in quality; ordinary</p>

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<p>So far Bescraze has come up with the following
statements about UF:</p>

<p>“its students (by stats) range are mediocre on average”</p>

<p>“After number 5 I would consider every school to be mediocre or worse”</p>

<p>1 University of California–Berkeley
2 University of Virginia
3 University of California–Los Angeles
3 University of Michigan–Ann Arbor
5 University of North Carolina–Chapel Hill</p>

<p>THE FALLACY BEHIND THAT THINKING:
Comparing apples & oranges.</p>

<p>Top 5 group SORTED per Undergraduate Enrollment (including UF)</p>

<p>2 University of Virginia / 15,078
5 University of North Carolina–Chapel Hill / 17,628
1 University of California–Berkeley / 24,636
3 University of California–Los Angeles / 25,920
3 University of Michigan–Ann Arbor / 26,083</p>

<p>17- University of Florida / 35,189</p>

<p>Top 5 group SORTED vs. UF UG class size.</p>

<p>2 University of Virginia / 15,078 / Virginia has 20,111 LESS undergrads
5 University of North Carolina–Chapel Hill / 17,628 / UNC has 17,561 LESS undergrads
1 University of California–Berkeley / 24,636 / UC-Berkley has 10,533 LESS undergrads
3 University of California–Los Angeles / 25,920 / UCLA has 9,261 LESS undergrads
3 University of Michigan–Ann Arbor / 26,083 / UM has 9,106 LESS undergrads</p>

<p>If UF had Virginia’s undergraduate representation of only 15,078 (or 20,111 fewer UG’s than UF) what do you think UF’s stats would be???</p>

<p>I would wager MUCH better stats than any of the 5 schools you listed above.</p>

<p>My point is that UF ALREADY HAS those top 15,078 students on campus same as Virginia. Along with another fairly decent 20,111 UG’s.</p>

<p>So where are those “mediocre” students again??</p>

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<p>It was annonced that at the very least: UF will be cutting 4,000 undergraduates over the next 4 years. The selectivity should rise when this happens, and the class-sizes should shrink alittle.</p>

<p>Also UF will be having a $70 million yearly windfall in recurring funding to improve Undergraduate education. This is from Tuition Differential.</p>

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<p>Its like a friend whom I’ve been arguing over the internet with on Youtube video.</p>

<p>I said China’s GDP overall may be high, but China’s GDP per capita is very low.</p>

<p>He counter argued: “Well, if you divide the population of China by four, you can rival US’s GDP per capita.”</p>

<p>Haha, things don’t work out that way, and there is a reason why it doesnt work out that way, because you can’t just manipulate data to your fitting. lol</p>

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<p>Why do people take so much offense to the statement that UF IS MEDIOCRE. Its students stats are mediocre, its resources are mediocre, its job placement is worse than mediocre (especially out of state), its grad placement is mediocre, its student:faculty ratio is abysmal, and its having serious faculty issues. I mean what good can you honestly say about the school other than the sports teams. Not every school can be great, Florida people are delusional about this school. This is my last post here, because luckily in the real world no one would have such a stupid debate. UFs inadequacies and lack of any national recognition is evident enough.</p>

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<p>^^^^</p>

<p>UVA % admitted- 35%
SAT- 1200-1420</p>

<p>UF % admitted- 42%
SAT 1140-1360.</p>

<p>Now cut UF’s 6,600 entering freshman class by 3,260 lower qualified applicants to match UVA’s UG entering class.</p>

<p>By the way you have it wrong on your example with the Chinese GDP per capita.
What would be closer for comparisons sake would be making a few billion Chinese dissappear while preserving the same GDP.</p>

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<p>Well, okay. You can say that, and UVA and UF would equal. </p>

<p>My question is. If UF can hypothetcally cut its class down to size and reject lower qualified applicants from its own state (which, by law, they can’t do that since they recieve federal and state funding and unlike privates, must educate lower qualified students becuse its a state school and they have to)</p>

<p>UF can rival Harvard if it cuts its class size down to 3. And it would win in selectivity to boot.</p>

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<p>Phead I was reading Fareed Zakarias book that came out and he makes the same point as you. Its not the total GDP that matters, since it can’t be mobilized since so many of the poor farming Chinese do not provide any actual productivity. Its a misleading figure. For this discussion, UVA is the cut off point of State schools…(afterwards they lose their recognition nationally…I mean even UNC is debatable). You can’t change UFs size, I mean harvard could be even more selective if it were smaller. It is what it is…and this is not only about SAT scores, but about prestige, academic resources ect… UF loses out.</p>

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<p>It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that if UF cuts down its incoming student classes then its average GPA and SAT/ACT scores would drop. The reason why it can’t do that at the moment is that tuition is too low. A lot of the public schools that are ranked higher than UF charge their students 3x+ the tuition at UF. That means that they COULD have 1/3 the student body and bring in the same tuition revenue. Of course with that comes smaller class sizes, etc…</p>

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<p>Bescraze, you still haven’t quantified your mediocre claims yet. Anyone can claim anything they want but not many can back it up.</p>

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<p>I think I have manytimes, goufgators you are just too slow to realize it. SAT scores, acceptance rate, job placement, graduatuate school placement, student: faculty ratio, endowment, prestige (more hard to qualify), quality of professors…</p>

<p>good for you? now qualify yours…o you can’t…</p>

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<p>xNYer already showed how UF’s stats are comparable to many of the public schools that are ranked ahead of it by US News in several stats such ass SAT scores, acceptance rate, etc… You can go read his compilation yourself, I am not going to paste it for you again.</p>

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<p>UF = MEDIOCRE</p>

<p>UF calls itself “the Harvard of the south”. In reality it’s more like “the Rutgers of the South”.</p>

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<p>JEZ21, I see you claim to be a “big fan of UCF”. If you think UF is mediocre, what does that make UCF? I see you’re just another Gator Hator. ;)</p>

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<p>Bescraze;
Before you stop gracing us on this thread with your presence please provide us with your links to the following:</p>

<p>1- its job placement is worse than mediocre (especially out of state),
2- its grad placement is mediocre,
3- and its having serious faculty issues. (Specifically which professors are part of this so called “brain drain”)</p>

<p>Regarding these:
a- its resources are mediocre, (yes, it comes from having a tuition of $3,700. This is changing)
b- its student:faculty ratio is abysmal (Only worth 1% of the USNWR ratings does not really hurt selectivity)
c-Its students stats are mediocre. (Already dispproved above)</p>

<p>Phead128,</p>

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<p>Phead128;</p>

<p>Actually if UF only accepted 2,200 undergraduates like Harvard they would have to trim 4,400 (not 3) of it’s incoming UG’s to match their incoming class.</p>

<p>Probably won’t match Harvard but it would produce descent results.</p>

<p>Per UF’s 2007 common data set:
SAT Verbal for enrolled students range 700-800 = 16%
6,600 x .16= 1,056 UF incoming UG’s with impressive stats.</p>

<p>SAT Math for enrolled students range 700-800 = 21%
6,600 x .21= 1,386 UF incoming UG’s with impressive stats.</p>

<p>Not bad for a “Mediocre” state school.</p>

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<p>xNYer…regarding the OOS recruitment comment…. it may interest you that one of my job functions is a recruitment manager for a Fortune 500 company. We recruit at approximately 75 universities internationally. Of those 75, we designate 28 schools as "key universities” …schools that we consider the best based on extensive performance metrics of 10s of thousands of employees. The University of Florida is on that list. For perspective, only three Ivies are on the list. So, UF may be rated “mediocre” by some guy named Bescraze on the internet, but I assure you it is not by my company.</p>