@Idontgetthis I’m curious as well about how many students will be admitted to Ross in ED. The Ross class size is 500 and given the specifics of the application, I would imagine yield protection is not as much of a concern for the school.
@sushiritto would you like to comment on California at Michigan?
So interesting comments. I really don’t think they make more money by deferrals. It’s the same app. I guess you mean if they did ED they would have less applicants I also don’t want to think they would ever go ED. It’s a public school but does sort of run like a private. They have a very large endowment fund.
Many students get financial aid even if applying RD but no question it’s an expensive school. Every year many Sals and Vals don’t get accepted. But of course also many do.
I do think in the past many students saw Michigan as a back up. It seemed like many got in RD after letting them know that they really wanted to be there. (Loci).
Many students wrote a letter of intent in Junior year and follow that up in Senior year before EA.
As some accepted students said many wrote about their experiences connecting with a Professor and what they wanted to study and why. But some didn’t.
No question about it, they want to make sure you really want to be there. Only so many ways to go about that.
Many high schools have contacts with the AOs and use that to get students in.
They don’t factor legacy in anymore but… They also know that legacies tend to commit. Maybe that is a factor when reviewing for RD /Wait list? Not sure.
My son BTW was rejected twice for summer programs at Michigan but got in 2017 EA? Go figure… Lol
I wish your student well.
Most merit based financial aid are only available for EA, that was what we were told , and many many OOS kids applied UM have qualifications to go say, stanford or Cornell, last year our 2nd ranked kid went Columbia and third went Stanford, our 20/30 ranked kids goes UM at the end…. So those Val and Sal got rejected by UM probably already got accepted by Princeton or MIT and did not submit their continuous interesting, and that is my point,what UM try to make sure, those kids not effect their yield many many OOS apply UM thinking UM as a alternative of those expensive private and UM charges as much, and I understand UM thinking also, Hmmm I have all those kids top the rank applying and if I admit all those, maybe only 20% gonna show up… so let’s defer them and see after the ivy early action, how many show their interest, and to be honest, I do not know for undergrad, many kid connect to professors, and I do not believe professors at al specific college have a say, my husband is a executive at a large engineering firm and cooperate/funding many major universities, I do not think professors has a say
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I have a 1490 (780/710), OOS, a worse gpa, less credits and I got into LSA. If I had to put a bet, it would be something in the essays or maybe they thought her ECs were exaggerated? Either way im sure she will have great options come april
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This come to my Jenny theory #2. Public school , top public school can not accept amost deserving kids like MIT, cal tech or Princeton, imaging 50% in state kids with other 50% the brightest smartest kid in the world, how the 50% in state kids gonna compete in the class, they gonna be the bottom half So to not that happen, they have to balance what they accept from OOS top academic, not so top academic but good EC, etc… sorry , I am a engineer, I tend to over analyze things. I am not blaning any decisions and hopefully not make you feel bad, I simply thought this college application dynamic is very interesting
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highest stats kids != most deserving kids != smartest kids != potentially-successful kids.
All I’m trying to say is that a kid with a 1550 SAT may not necessarily be smarter/ better/ more-deserving than a 1450 SAT score. That’s why holistic admissions.
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I have never said higher sat = more deserving kid…. But MIT 25% is 1530, u got to be having a really good story to get in MIT with 1450. And yes , I do think SAT is a correlation. Of IQ , but no IQ is not = success , my daughter scored 1540 when she was 13 unprepared, so SAT is not that hard, but she is not mentally prepared as any 17-18 yr old kids . That is for sure, IQ No equal to eq… simply what school think where is their balance
So are you saying people who get accepted to umich are people undeserving of better schools?
You have truth to some degree, but a 1490 student being rejected is NOT yield protection. If they had a perfect score and perfect gpa and international recognition then maybe, but this student—as impressive as they are—was not yield protected.
Michigan does yield protect (alongside Cornell, JHU, Chicago etc) but their bar for yield protection is much higher than that of many SUNY schools, Clemson etc. Anyone with less than a 1580 getting rejected isn’t yield protection.
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We can move on from the discussion of yields /acceptances of other schools please. There is a no debate rule on this site also. Let’s stop the back and forth please.
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You clearly seem to suggest that students with lower stats than those typical for MITs are not as deserving and bright.
Also, you’ve been indirectly condescending of Michigan in-state kids.
Everyone who gets admitted to such top tier school are very bright and deserving.
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Noted.
D18 was high stats from CA, admitted EA, and received acceptances at top UC’s, SLO, etc. She/we picked Michigan over all of them, plus a couple of top privates. We are not legacies.
In terms of the price tag, D18 would have graduated a year early from Michigan (AP and test credits helped), but for two minors, though she did finish a semester+ early. So we saved that tuition. We thought she could/would have registration issues at CA publics that you don’t have at Michigan. True in our case.
D21 is a senior at SLO. She would have had registration issues, her friends and roommates have had some trouble over the years, but as a Chemistry LA/workshop leader, she gets priority registration.
D18 is also a big sports fan, so Michigan was better fit there (see CC avatar 
) as well. There’s a large amount of Michigan alumni who have settled here locally, so there’s that too.
I was going to say. This test score isn’t low. My D25 has the same. But she is postponed too.
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Thinking out loud: in my, perhaps cynical, imagination, UM probably has a number of factors that go into an algorithm designed by some enrollment management consultants. An applicant can be “yield protected,” though I don’t love that term, no matter what their scores are, due to whatever the other factors are. Say, for example, an OOS student in the financial aid donut hole. Or the obvious factor of demonstrated interest. As far as scores go, they traditionally played a significant role in such algorithms before test optional, so much so that test optional policies made yield management quite difficult, as TO applicants are more likely to enroll, and one might wonder whether something similar would occur via the algorithm with relatively mid or low scores (per UM’s reported ranges).
U are not saying the prohibited word “AI” 
… as much as people here want to admit here, there is no freaking way for UM to do a “holistic review” in 2 month, 40 working days roughly 20000 mins to review what 60000 kids, that will be 20 sec per kid , just saying ,there got to be a algorithm to down select and using a algorithm to figure out the probability to attend, sorry, I am a engineer, u got to convince me otherwise with numbers, and those fell like ANY school does “ Holistic review “” think the time that even available with the resources… if y feel otherwise, u got to convince me with a number, just saying UM represents told I so, not carrying much weight for a engineer majors
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Just to clarify, algorithms have been a thing in college admissions for a long time. I don’t think that qualifies as AI, though I don’t know how these things are defined. It’s not as though a computer were reading essays at UM - that would be AI. But yes, there are almost certainly algorithms involved in some aspect of the process, though they may not be the final decider. They may aggregate various types of applicant scores or something.
That is the thing, school claim a holistic review
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Michigan doesn’t use AI. We can move on from this discussion also…
Ava Butzu, a former senior admissions counselor at the University of Michigan, said that their Office of Undergraduate Admissions never used AI to score essays or for any other part of reviewing applications. Current admissions counselor, Alicia Czinski, confirmed that Michigan still does not use AI in its review process.
While Butzu worked at Michigan, she said the admissions office never discussed using AI in its review process. Butzu said understanding the context of a prospective student’s application — their school’s average SAT scores, academic offerings and clubs — was a key part of how readers evaluated applications, which is part of why Butzu said she thinks the Michigan admissions office doesn’t use AI in the review process.
“I think there’s a huge point of pride about that,” Butzu said.
Butzu said she thinks that using AI to evaluate college applications could take away some of the humanity in the review process, especially because of the likelihood that many applicants are now using AI to
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I think that just means they consider all the parts, as well as context for those parts. And a human is involved with some or all of those parts. But, it also seems likely that an algorithm score has ramifications.