Perhaps it may be better to consider one variable at a time.
Penn versus UCB: There are probably significant regional differences in recruiting (i.e. Wall Street versus Silicon Valley).
M&T/MET versus CS/E by itself: Not sure what type of work would favor an M&T/MET (or other CS/E + business double major) graduate over someone who graduated in CS/E. Seems that these CS/E + business double major combinations are intended to sell the colleges to those who think that such a combination will help them rapidly climb corporate ladders. But that can also send signals to employers that are not necessarily favorable to getting hired.
@moscott as I mentioned above, parchment has data from a group of high schoolers “admitted” to penn with a 26 average ACT. This is literally imaginary data - you can’t seriously be this naive right?
^^^So you have no counter evidence right? Parchment isn’t exact but is indicative of supportive data based on actual results. Again Berkeley is a fine school but the majority of students accepted to both without financial consideration being the deciding factor would choose PENN. If you are going by the OP’s standards of Berkeley vs M&T it wouldn’t even be a close race as perhaps the top program in the country.
According to the above Barnard wins cross admits against NYU at a 85%+ clip consistently in the real world yet according to parchment only wins 66% of the time.
See Boston university where Barnard wins nearly 100% of the time.
Methodology
This is a “revealed preference” tool. For each school’s percentage, the denominator includes all members who were admitted to both of these schools. The numerator includes those students who chose a given school. In other words, students who were admitted to both schools reveal their preference for one over the other by attending that school. To test for statistical significance at the 95% level, Wilson’s method is employed.
Go to penn’s profile. Click on admitted students (which parchment uses to create its model) See the average ACT? It is a 26. Penn’s range for “real life” admitted students is a 32-35. I guess in your world, doing statistical analysis on imaginary students is fine.
According to Penn’s common data set, 90% of incoming freshman for 2015-2016 had a ACT score of 30-36 and 0% (or perhaps a statistically insignificant amount) had below 24. Not sure how that could translate to a 26
You need some reading comprehension…read the data used. Actual students admitted to both colleges and where they actually ended up. Believe it or not your choice but you have NO counter evidence…period.
@moscott cool I guess you are ok with using imaginary data. I will take it to heart as truth when an admit with a 26 ACT says they got into penn and Harvard on parchment
Learners engaging with these tools voluntarily share various data elements with Parchment including their GPA, SAT, or ACT score, and admissions outcomes to name a few. In order to bring insights to the admissions process, Parchment uses these learner-shared data, in aggregate, to provide analyses such as a user’s statistical odds of acceptance to a particular university.
So they use voluntary data from users such as this to create their statistical analysis:
You SEEM to have a dog in this fight…I have none. What is your implication? There is actual evidence of kids being accepted to colleges then deciding which to attend. Is your contention that those admitted to both Berkeley and UPENN choose to enroll at Berkeley over UPENN? If so what is YOUR unfounded evidence?
@mlunghi “I want to study economics/finance and computer science/engineering, so i looked for schools that did so. Upenn, Harvard, and Berkeley seem to have strong departments in both, hence why I was looking at these, although rankings certaintly played a role too.”
I agree with you that rankings play a role too. I just mean that in your case, these are all top schools with strong CS results that are all excellent. At that point, what matters more what fits best for you.
@ucbalumnus “M&T/MET versus CS/E by itself: Not sure what type of work would favor an M&T/MET (or other CS/E + business double major) graduate over someone who graduated in CS/E. Seems that these CS/E + business double major combinations are intended to sell the colleges to those who think that such a combination will help them rapidly climb corporate ladders. But that can also send signals to employers that are not necessarily favorable to getting hired.”
This is a great question.
The jobs that these students can fit well for include startups where staff need to multi task, private equity positions working with tech firms, hedge funds need cs people who are knowledgeable about investments.
It is true that there are many positions where it would be better to choose finance or CS and gain more depth. However, even then M&T can be valuable. Some M&Ters will pursue both for a year and then decide that they would rather go deeper into one major or the other. Even in this case, it was valuable to have the extra year to consider their options and make a more informed choice for them. In the end, these students do very well in finding high paying jobs.
my goal is to end up in tech-startups, i thought doing a business major would give me an edge… am i wrong? if so, shouldn’t i be looking at full CS schools like Berkeley, CnM, Cornell?